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Old Jan 24, 2013, 01:45 AM
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Can't wait til someone hacks the next guy's wifi system.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 03:51 AM
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Ok, looked up how to do new forums.... things have changed a bit.

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New forum requests are common. The following procedure explains how they will be handled from now on.

1. A new forum may be proposed by any user with at least 100 posts. Please give us detailed information so we can understand your request. Use this form to guide you. See an example request here.

2. Once your thread has generated 50 replies from other users who agree that the proposal is a good one, compile the list of names and inform an admin or moderator. The site management will review the list and most likely call for a vote.

3. The administrator will create a thread with a yes/no poll attached to it, and will announce this thread in the appropriate area. The poll will be held for at least 10 days, and it must gather at least 75% "yes" votes.

4. If the vote passes, the new forum will be created but put on a probation period for at least 30 days. During this probation period the forum will be monitored to see if it is being used. If the forum proves to be unsuccessful, it will be removed.

5. If the vote or the probation fails, the process will have to be started over, but no sooner than 60 days, please.

Please note that the site admins may decide to circumvent the above process, if the idea is particularly strong.
It also has to be done over here in the New Forum Requests Forum where a new thread for the new forum must be opened.

Also, it has to follow this format....

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New Forum Suggestion
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Forum Name:

Category:

Description:

Justification:
So here is my preliminary take on it -

Forum Name: AquaNet - C3 systems for watercraft

Category: Boats - top level

Description: Alternative Digital Command, Control and Communications Systems for Remotely Controlled Watercraft including Telemetry and Video

Justification: To facilitate communications and technology transfer within the model boating community, particularly between members of R/C Groups, regarding alternative methods of controlling and automating our watercraft.

Currently the information on automating or making our boats more autonomous or using alternate control systems such as the Raspberry PI (Rπ) and the Arduino families of technology is spread throughout the web and very little is directed at model boaters. The aviation community has seen the necessity of creating separate technology forums for these devices and techniques, it is becoming obvious that boaters must follow suit.

If the cybernetic Boating community is to begin developing and developing items, it needs a place to commune and share, not just pick and pursue the aircraft forums, the blogs over at Make Magazine or robotics forums which may, but more often do not address the issues we need to solve especially as boating is the small rump of the RC community. Outside of a very few manufactures specific to boating, no one develops anything specifically for us, we adopt aircraft or car technologies for wet environments.

We would like a place of our own to do so.


So, do we start this?? Comments
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:05 AM
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hi bgnome,

You can overclock these to 1ghz without any problems and also run full linux os. Pairing with the arduino is easy but not necessary, there are GPIO port extender boards available. The possible application in rc boating are limitless, from sound system to remote control using add on boards. It's all in the infancy stage now but there are already a few threads here in rc groups relating to pi and arduino application. Some other intersting microprocessor boards that are available are the Parallax Propellor and TI Stellaris Launchpad. Only the PI is designed to run a full linux os. It has the same ARM microprocessor found in many smartphones now. The others are designed for dedicated applications. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out for model boating, but we certainly are on the verge of some exciting times.

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Don't forget, they released the Arduino Due recently with an ARM processor! the same technology as in the latest cell-phones, low power, but unfortunately without the extra cores and the clock speed/memory are all lower.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:08 AM
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I'm game. Maybe we should pick a common IO board as well, so we are all on the same page, working to a common objective? Let me know what you all think, I am going to wait before ordering my PI and io board to see what direction we are going with this.

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That's a bloody good idea.


You know, this is how the very first Mac was produced. In a shed by a couple of dedicated people.

We have the advantage, better technology, the internet and this forum.

And more than two people
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:16 AM
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Ok, looked up how to do new forums.... things have changed a bit.



It also has to be done over here in the New Forum Requests Forum where a new thread for the new forum must be opened.

Also, it has to follow this format....



So here is my preliminary take on it -

Forum Name: AquaNet - C3 systems for watercraft

Category: Boats - top level

Description: Alternative Digital Command, Control and Communications Systems for Remotely Controlled Watercraft including Telemetry and Video

Justification: To facilitate communications and technology transfer within the model boating community, particularly between members of R/C Groups, regarding alternative methods of controlling and automating our watercraft.

Currently the information on automating or making our boats more autonomous or using alternate control systems such as the Raspberry PI (Rπ) and the Arduino families of technology is spread throughout the web and very little is directed at model boaters. The aviation community has seen the necessity of creating separate technology forums for these devices and techniques, it is becoming obvious that boaters must follow suit.

If the cybernetic Boating community is to begin developing and developing items, it needs a place to commune and share, not just pick and pursue the aircraft forums, the blogs over at Make Magazine or robotics forums which may, but more often do not address the issues we need to solve especially as boating is the small rump of the RC community. Outside of a very few manufactures specific to boating, no one develops anything specifically for us, we adopt aircraft or car technologies for wet environments.

We would like a place of our own to do so.


So, do we start this?? Comments
Reads as a concise summary of what we want..... it gets the message across perfectly. I particularly like the phrase "Cybernetic Boating Community". If all else fails, tell them "Never underestimate the power of a small group of people to do big things!".


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We have the Remotely Operated Vehicles forum. The moderators will ask you how the proposal differentiates from that. I would argue that we would be covering a broader spectrum, including development of unique sub-systems, control interfaces and methods, all the way through to possible fully autonomous systems with an eye to the entire RC Boating spread. Not solely a very specialised area that caters mostly for remotely piloted underwater vehicles.

The other elephant in the room in the last decade is intellectual property rights. The adoption of Creative Commons Licensing and/or Open Source needs to be discussed. Personally i'm all for both and that's what I'm doing with my own stuff, but others opinions may differ.


- so perhaps "Maritime Model Cybernetics"????
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Craig,
Absolutely. I don't think it will have a problem getting the 50 votes. We already have 8 interested members right in this thread. Your synopsis info is right on target as well. Pull the trigger!

Deckie,
I also think Open Source / Creative Commons is the right approach.

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Old Jan 24, 2013, 10:19 AM
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ok Partial revision....

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Forum Name: AquaNet - C3 "Homebrew" Hardware & software systems for watercraft

Category: Boats - top level

Description: Alternative Open Source Technology for Digital Command, Control and Communications Systems for Remotely Controlled Watercraft including Telemetry and Video

Justification: To facilitate communications and technology transfer within the model boating community, particularly between members of R/C Groups, regarding alternative open source methods of controlling and automating our watercraft as well as encouraging a "homebrew' style cybernetics culture.

Currently the information on automating or making our boats more autonomous or using alternate control systems such as the Raspberry PI (Rπ) and the Arduino system families and other technologies is spread throughout the web and hardly any directed at model boaters. The aviation community has seen the necessity of creating separate technology forums for experimenting and constructing these devices and techniques, it is obvious that boaters must follow suit.

If the cybernetic Boating community is to begin developing and developing items and instrumentalities, we need a place to commune and share, not just individually peek and poke and peruse in the aircraft forums, blogs over at Make Magazine's site or robotics forums which may, but more often do not address the issues we need to solve especially as boating is the disregarded rump of the RC community. Outside of a very few dedicated vendors and artisanal manufactures specific to boating, no one develops anything specifically for us, we must adapt, hack, aircraft or car technologies for wet environments.

We would like a place of our own to do so and to exchange data, experiences and our designs and works as well as keeping build logs of our equipment and experiments.
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What say you? Waiting to hear!

IF we eight agree - I pull the trigger on the process! Here's hopin' it'll be one HELL of a ride !
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Agreed.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 03:21 PM
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All great Ideas..I'm looking forward to it ,I'm just now trying to learn myself C to get some picaxe action .this is great..

Got to thinking ,last night ..a guy could fly a fully capable turbine model airliner...with his Android phone..right down to glide slope ,

Moreover .I feel that a community development of this system would allow for our boats to be used with more off the shelf parts..and again this system would allow the DIY model engineers to see there projects come to life with simple code and standard gear.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 03:57 PM
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Craig, I will say I approve of your proposed descriptors and all that good stuff,. so if you put it up, I will vote for it.

on a side note.. my old android phone, as of last night has now come to the end of its serviceable life as a phone. but, it's still serviceable as an ARM powered sensor pack for some kind of robotics experiment.

there are huge development communities for Android, Arduino, and Rpi.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:30 PM
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I vote lets do this! If I was not one of the 8 mentioned earlier then put me in as #9.

I am just starting to get into the Arduino and Pi stuff as well as electronics prototyping.

I dont think we should limit the scope to one platform. While I own a Rpi it is not going to always be the best unit for the job. Same can be said for the Arduinos and the many different clones out there as well. Each unit can preform tasks and one unit may be able to preform that task better than another, and with out keeping our sights broad we may never see the benifits of one over the other.

I also model HO scale trains and I have been into the DCC thing over in that world for quite a while now. It is a wonderful system that allows you to control the trains not the track. It also allows true railroad operation as the dispatch can control the switches and signals just as would be done with real railroads. The DCC project started out with some employees of a company called Lenz in Germany that wanted to have better control of their trains. Control of the train not control of a lenght of track. About 25 years later DCC is about the standard in which most trains are run. You can now buy starter sets that run on DCC right out of the box. Great for the hobby, and it has caused model railroading to grow quite a bit in the last few years.

So that all being said count me in!

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Old Jan 24, 2013, 07:24 PM
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the trains I play with are mostly N scale and On30

Passivly working on a Nscale coffee table layout that will eventually use reed switches and magnets to determain the trains position to the Arduino to make it follow a programed circuit when a button is pressed

but... that's for a different forum all together


alright.. my slice o' pi is on its way.. got the mode B for $35

$37 shipped.

this 32gbSD card. class 4. you can shove up to a class 10 in there, but research has shown you really don't get much performance improvement over a class 4-6, and this is a good price

$28.51 shipped

the SD card holds the OS and a as little as 1-4 is required. but this is like your C: drive on a regular computer, so got as big as I could, while keeping the price down.

this HDMI to DVI cord

monoprice .com.. for all your cable needs.. good stuff dirt cheap.. $6.94 shipped.

this cord will connect the HDMI video output of the Rπ to the DVI in of my old LCD monitor here.

all other stuff I need I have lying around.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 07:37 PM
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For those looking at a Pi just to let you know that while it does have an HDMI port, using it on an HDMI TV does not give you a very good picture. I found that even on my 21" TV the Pi cut off the first 3 characters or so on the left side of the screen. So I bought an HDMI to DVI adaptor and now use a 19" computer monitor with no issues what so ever.

My Pi now is running headless, but I still need to work on getting the VNC up and running so I can also have a GUI in headless mode. I am not planning on using a GUI for the multiplexer, but somethings are simply easier with the GUI so I want the option.

OH and I found that getting online does not work when using a 2GB card and the Wheezy OS. There is not enough room on the card for caching the webpages and the GUI becomes really slow. a 2GB card tho allows you to run just fine in terminal mode.

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bgnome,

Where did you order the RPi? Newark Electronics is showing 0 in stock.

Pete
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