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Old Jan 23, 2013, 12:11 PM
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Lindberg Blue Devil Destroyer

I'm a new guy in regards to RC, I've done some ship modelling in the past, but I've never really been bitten by the RC bug until now.

I'm interested in starting off to convert a fairly basic model to radio control, the (in)famous Lindberg Blue Devil. It's not the most accurate kit, but I plan on doing some basic modifications to remove the awfully thick plastic bulkheads and modify the radar mast, etc.

My question is this: Does anyone have experience working with this kit in the past? Are there any pitfalls/suggestions I should be made aware of?

Also, perhaps the most basic is that I know absolutely nothing or RC beyond what I've been able to read up on this site. I would very much appreciate some basic guidelines on what I should be looking for in regards to motors, controllers, etc and how I install the bloody things.

Mike
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 01:38 PM
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lots of people have converted these models over here is a link to a photo etched brass set for it
http://www.tomsmodelworks.com/catalo...roducts_id=166. I have 2 a neighbor just gave me and have been thinking of making one good model out of it. keep the bulkheads they don't weigh much and the model sails fine with them. heres a link to a guy that put allot of detail on his.
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/for...?topic=37890.0
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 01:50 PM
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Just use the forum search tool for "lindberg+blue devil" You'll find lots. Including the guy that added 1/2 more plastic to raise the deck up for better seaworthiness.
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 03:44 PM
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Just use the forum search tool for "lindberg+blue devil" You'll find lots. Including the guy that added 1/2 more plastic to raise the deck up for better seaworthiness.
I am a little surprised that the main deck was raised. One of the problems pointed out in the earliest Lindbergh kitbash threads -- here: http://www.steelnavy.com/BDFletcher.htm is that the hull is actually too high at the bow, and it is recommended that it be cut down about a quarter inch in front and in a decreasing amount to the stern.

The best way to handle "seaworthiness" is not to raise the deck -- and thus, the center of gravity, but to seal the main deck edges to keep water from coming in. (My first "Blue Devil," which was a free running model, required a water rescue after she listed too far in the wind, flooded, and went down. I was luckier that others who did not recover theirs.)

The build link at this thread: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum...p?f=59&t=98554 takes that approach, and makes only a portion of the main deck removable. This builder has also done a great job on reworking the 5"/38 cal. gun mounts, one of the weaknesses of this kit.

There is a wealth of information on all Fletcher class modifications -- round bridge, square bridge, early armament, late armament, etc. in this forum: http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum...hilit=fletcher One of the contributors in particular, Rick Davis, is extremely knowledgeable and comes through with informative answers to questions as well as photos and drawings to back them up.

Additionally, if you really get into accuracy, you can obtain a DVD from the Destroyer History Foundation with drawings for the Fletcher Class ships in their major configurations -- here: http://destroyerhistory.org/destroyers/store/ There is a complete index provided with drawings in .pdf and .tiff format. Once you start comparing the drawings with the kit, you may find yourself replacing a lot of kit parts.

As stated by the book, "Shipcraft 8, Fletcher Class Destroyers." (an excellent reference available from Amazon), The Lindbergh kit reminds one "of the story of the axe: 'it turned out to be a rather good axe after I replaced the blade and then replaced the handle.' "

But once you take up the challenge, as have the builders in those forums, I am sure you will be proud of the results. Keep us posted!

Pete G.
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 05:59 PM
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I have a new, in plastic wrap sealed, Lindberg Blue Devil.

Anyone wanna buy this POS?

Make me an offer.
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 07:57 PM
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@Kmot

I'm down in San Diego. How does $35 sound + s&h?
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 01:21 AM
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I'm down in San Diego. How does $35 sound + s&h?
Sending you a PM.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 12:04 PM
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Welcome!

Hi IG, welcome to my preferred forum when it comes to the hobby

I tend to agree with PJ in reference to raising the deck, the higher the center of gravity the higher the degree of listing and sensitivity to the elements, especially wind and waves... or just as easy ...dodging, zigzagging, or just turning starboard to port or viceversa!

I've not really done anything special to one of mine, I still have one ... not plastic wrapped anymore like Tom's ....but still in the box untouched. Be aware that I'm a combination speed freak model builder, so I won't bother you with scale speed and details concerning the bridge Besides I don't have the talent (if you've been lurking long enough you know we have plenty of those in tha house!) that requires these details nor the time (well ...all is relative...!) and patient to get to them! But I think I can tell you one or two things concerning the Fletcher and I've just refurbished it's drive train amongst other small changes. So you're in luck in regard to pic's

She now has a brushless motor, a 4 channel 2.4Ghz receiver/Tx and I now have a decent working (just one!) smoke stack, navigation and search lights, a turning radar and turrets that can turn whenever I want. She's lighter, I've switched from 6 cells to a 2S Lipo's, she's higher in the water, I've split the interior into compartments to keep whatever water that comes in contained, lowered and strengthen the bulkheads, laid a layer of silicon sealer around the hull to seal the main deck and made some new screw holders ...but I still have to test her on how's she behaving... hopefully we'll have some running water in the canals around my 'hood soon! I've included a pic of a detailed bridge, I might be trying to do some detailing from this example. Boo
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:20 PM
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P_J_ I never said raising the deck was right or wrong, just that someone went through a lot of work to get one running. I do believe that the guy also ballasted it more to have it sit lower and be more stable.

Boo nice mods! How many days will it run on that 5000 pack?

I have a soft heart for the Blue Devil. my first of three of them was built in 1972 (41 years ago guys) with the stock Lindberg running gear and motor, 6 D cells and a two channel non-proportional radio. One push of the button on the transmittter got full right rudder. let go it went to neutral. Two pushes got full right followed by hard over full left. Let go and it would go back to center. Three pushes got a wiggle from full right to left back to center then the three position mechanical speed controller would run off-half speed- full speed. All those D cells made it ride just right.
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Major Tomski -- sorry if I came off sounding as if I was criticizing you. I was really just expressing some surprise at raising the deck, because I have been through about a jillion Fletcher forums in the past couple of months, and raising the deck was never a recommended mod for the Blue Devil.

There is a box in the garage that finally got uncovered with other clutter containing parts to an unbuilt kit and the original one I built while in college and lately, it has been "calling to me.".

I have to concur with the "soft spot" for the kit. Even though not fully successful as an R/C back in the day of super-regen receivers and escapements, it was one of my first large powered models. I know that it has its shortfalls, but so does a stack of wood and plastic that starts out looking nothing like a Fletcher.

We used to have a LCDR on the USS Canberra whose favorite expression was "No matter how hard you try, you can't shine a turd."

When he left, we gave him a plaque with a cow pie mounted on it that had started out very dry before receiving about 20 coats of varnish. The inscription below said, "Sometimes with strong leadership and good motivation, you can shine even a turd." I have seen some of those "shiny" Blue Devils, and plan to have my own some day.

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Old Jan 24, 2013, 10:07 PM
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P_J_Glor do you have links for some of these forums I would like to check them out and the OP may want to as well.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 07:59 AM
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Hey MajorTomski, , yes she would have an awful lot of sailing time with that pack I couldn't use it for my racing boats because of the low C-rate and having the motor on gears she won't be needing to come in for a new charge some time soon! Boo
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 04:00 PM
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Try looking up the Lindy Fletcher yahoo group, it's been another valuable resource for me. I'm very excited to get started on this project... I don't plan on elevating the height of the hull, but I will be sealing off the decks and making part of the superstructure lift off in order to access the motor.
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Fletcher Class Destroyer Forums and Threads

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P_J_Glor do you have links for some of these forums I would like to check them out and the OP may want to as well.
Here they are: You may have to join some of these forums to view photos, but they are all free.

Early Lindbergh coversion article:
http://www.steelnavy.com/BDFletcher.htm

USS Melvin (Blue Devil) build from Lindbergh kit: This conversion uses smoke generators and modifies the cam-driven guns and director to servo drive.

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/for...?topic=37890.0

USS Haggard build from Lindbergh kit -- uses partial removal of main deck to get to motors, etc.

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum...p?f=59&t=98554

1:125 Fletcher scratch build -- NOT the Lindbergh kit, but shows some great scratch building from plastic using the Fletcher plans as a guide:

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum...hp?f=13&t=5849

USS Bennett build -- 1:96 build of a "round bridge" Fletcher:

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum...?f=59&t=102971

Fletcher forum on full sized ships:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/nav...her-class.html

Best full scale Fletcher forum I have seen -- still very active:

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum...hilit=fletcher

Destroyer Historical Foundation for Fletchers -- go to "Engineering Drawings" tab for info on getting Fletcher Class Drawing DVD
http://destroyerhistory.org/fletcher...sp?r=0&pid=200

Naval Photo Index for Destroyers of all classes:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/05idx.htm

Fletcher Class Destroyer Portraits:

http://destroyerhistory.org/fletcherclass/portraits/

World War II Ship Camouflage
http://www.shipcamouflage.com/warship_camouflage.htm

Technical Documents for weapon systems used on Fletchers:

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/index.htm

Drawings of Navy Ships, including Fletcher "round bridge"
http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/index.htm

Fletcher: http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/dd445.pdf

Sigsbee: http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/dd502.pdf

Fine Art Models "Ship Model" Page -- click "Fletchers 1", "Fletchers 2" or "Fletchers 3" for photo gallery. They also have other interesting ship models, such as USS Missourri, Titanic, Edmund Fitzgerald, a "Four Piper", PRR Tugboat and Car float, and many more

http://www.fineartmodels.com/fineart...com/Ships.html

Pete G
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Old Jan 28, 2013, 09:35 PM
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One of these days, I will build mine (which has been languishing on the shelf for some time now). I don't care about the age or inaccuracy of the kit but am just nostalgic for it. And.... it's nice and big.

Pkboo: are your props counter-rotating? I cannot tell from your pics if the gear setup allows for that. Interesting idea using a brushless motor, you're definitely using 21st century technology... unlike us throwbacks.

Definitely like the idea of excessive runtimes and am interested if and when you can quantify your Devil's endurance.
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