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Old Jan 12, 2013, 08:20 PM
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LDS vs. RDS

So now that the FS3/FS4 with LDS has been out for a while, how are they holding up? Are people still happy with them or is anyone wishing they had bought RDS instead?

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Old Jan 12, 2013, 09:47 PM
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What is LDS?
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Old Jan 12, 2013, 09:58 PM
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I ordered my latest 2 FS4s with LDS, although I think that there is room for improvement in the current LDS system.
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Old Jan 12, 2013, 10:17 PM
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Both FS4's I flew at the worlds are equipped with LDS. As Dave stated I also believe there is room for improvement. I can say that the LDS system has zero slop. You must be sure there is no binding as this can cause problems. With the LDS system on the FS4's there is no way to change out a servo quickly (at the field). The retaining pin, must be removed and the pressure fit can be a bit tricky as well. I still prefer the LDS system to that of the past RDS system.

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Old Jan 12, 2013, 11:22 PM
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What is LDS?

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Old Jan 13, 2013, 06:43 AM
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RDS?

I dunno, but LDS can't be worse than some of the RDS systems I have seen.
My own FS3 was crap and my mate's Extasy is worse than that.

The baudis models I have seen seem okay with RDS.

A good RDS is okay, a bad one stinks.
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Old Jan 13, 2013, 04:51 PM
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Aaron-
I know of one pilot that told me he wished they all had conventional linkages, like the low profile Ceres linkages....
As you are aware, there are pro's and con's to both, but it seems to me that if you have sloppy RDS, that is harder to remedy than a sloppy conventional linkage.
RDS needs to have some give for abundant bind free flap travel, IMO. Telescoping is good.

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Old Jan 13, 2013, 07:41 PM
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Looking at the Baudis RDS stuff I have the servo doesnt move or telescope, at least it appears it wont.....yet they seem to work. Beats me.
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Old Jan 13, 2013, 08:43 PM
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Yes, the Baudis RDS is perfectly executed for a stiff system....
But in order to get flap travel that is normally used for TD planes, you technically need the wiper to telescope a bit to keep the bend centered over the bisected angle of the surface deflection (don't ask me to explain that one!)....
Its similar to putting centered torque rod linkages into an aileron, and then bottom hinging it; the hinge plane and the torque rod plane are no longer lined up. It will bind unless the torque rod is able to slide in and out of the aileron....

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Old Jan 13, 2013, 09:20 PM
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But in order to get flap travel that is normally used for TD planes, you technically need the wiper to telescope a bit to keep the bend centered over the bisected angle of the surface deflection
Or, the mfrs can start molding flaps as separate parts and knuckle-hinge them...

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Old Jan 13, 2013, 11:31 PM
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That's totally true, but then you still would have problems with surface wipers and lots of down flap....
That just proves that nearly everything is a compromise.

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Old Jan 14, 2013, 11:34 AM
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RDS v LDS

I have seen a number of RDS systems and have been surprised at how they can be improperly installed by the best of builders.
I have a RDS FS3 & 4. The FS3 RDS on the flaps is OK but not great. I thought the FS4 RDS would be better but in fact the flap RDS system was installed totally wrong and flap travel is terrible, less than 45 degrees. I was able to get it to just over 50 degrees but I had to move the coupler and servo forward towards the spar almost 3/8".
I friend has just bought the new Crossfire II with RDS and the flap travel is huge, almost 80 degrees as installed.
Bottom line is anything is only as good as how it is put togehter and some of the best builders can make mistakes.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 02:02 PM
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Glad I never put an FS 3 or 4 together.....

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Old Jan 14, 2013, 03:41 PM
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Glad I never put an FS 3 or 4 together.....

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the freestyler 3 or 4 RDS is about the easiest model to build there is. The wing install consists of screwing the servos in to the RDS couplers. You can do it in a few minutes no problem.

the trouble is it is "what it is". You can't do a lot to make it better, if it's not good.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 06:36 PM
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I just wanted to make sure that Martin know that the one he saw built wrong wasn't built wrong by me (this time!).

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