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Old Jan 10, 2013, 10:35 AM
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I found in internet a very nice drawing of a Ho-IX_ 1-8th Scale 82 In WS from Jack Lynn Bale. someone build it? Someone has some information about this design? Thanks
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Old Jan 10, 2013, 12:42 PM
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I found in internet a very nice drawing of a Ho-IX_ 1-8th Scale 82 In WS from Jack Lynn Bale. someone build it? Someone has some information about this design? Thanks
Sorry can't help you with that one,though some of the USA guys may be able to help.
This may interest you,it's based on an 82"

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1731896
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Do you have a link to the drawing?
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Old Jan 10, 2013, 01:25 PM
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Did a search on here and found this thread amongst others
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...jack+bale+plan
Doesn't sound very good.
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Old Jan 10, 2013, 03:00 PM
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The Horten is not an easy plane to get right. I would not invest my time making a Horten unless I saw it flying first. Incidentally the one at the start of the thread you were pointed to is my turbine Horten which is a great flyer.

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Old Jan 11, 2013, 02:26 PM
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Sorry can't help you with that one,though some of the USA guys may be able to help.
This may interest you,it's based on an 82"

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1731896
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Do you have a link to the drawing?

Thanks for this very nice link, great project. I don´t remember where I found the plan, but if you like I can send you via E.mail the PDF plan.
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Old Jan 11, 2013, 05:21 PM
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Thanks for this very nice link, great project. I don´t remember where I found the plan, but if you like I can send you via E.mail the PDF plan.
Could you post the plan on here,you may get some good advice about it.
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Old Jan 11, 2013, 10:52 PM
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ive messed with simple flying wing, the only thing is the funky that ive encountered is the need for twist in the wing. im working on desiging a go229, but the issue is the lack of an elevator or horizontal stab to keep the wing 'pointed up'. i had a simple KF airfoil ho229 and it did an nice nose dive every time till i bent up the TE of the wing tip.

(here im mosly guessing, but i am thinking a more elegant solution is to move the center of lift for a given airfoil 'aftwards' and i belive this is how it was done on the full scale plane. "bell shaped distribution of lift" this would be a more elegant solution, tho im guessing you could work with a elevrons and lots of trim.
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Old Jan 12, 2013, 12:39 PM
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Suggest you study that "bales" plan v carefully ..do a bit of on screen research..Gawd knows there are reams of documents.
Then.. decide if it's a workable plan.
IX's on edf are problematic to execute successfully. Wayyy more failures than successes, which is why 'good' ones are so well regarded. Not a project to be undertaken on a whim.
IMO old mr Bales (rip) had little grasp of what was involved, beyond filling the three view with parts.
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Suggest you study that "bales" plan v carefully ..do a bit of on screen research..Gawd knows there are reams of documents.
Then.. decide if it's a workable plan.
IX's on edf are problematic to execute successfully. Wayyy more failures than successes, which is why 'good' ones are so well regarded. Not a project to be undertaken on a whim.
IMO old mr Bales (rip) had little grasp of what was involved, beyond filling the three view with parts.
Mr Bale was a prolific designer. his plans were not for the feint of heart and require a bit of skill, but I have built a few of his designs, and all flew very well. My favorite which is stored somewhere on this site was the XP-59 which my son and I built as an EDF, awesome flier.
I also have a set of his Horten design, just have not had the time for it yet.
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@kitfoxkid: have you seen this => http://www.fly2air.com/w19/index-w19.htm ?

Unfortunately I havn't translated it, maybe some online translater might help. Otherwise, the pictures and videos might give an impression? As John Wright said => its a bit tricky to get an edf-horten flying right. If interested, send me an email.
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Old Sep 28, 2013, 11:25 AM
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Sighh .. Mr Bales may have been a lot of things.
Clearly: Competent wasn't one of them ..when.. he drew that plan
I can only suggest that you build it

Kitfoxkid:
Copy and Paste the URL above into Google translate. Takes only seconds .. it's a fascinating documentary. Well worth studying
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@kitfoxkid: have you seen this => http://www.fly2air.com/w19/index-w19.htm ?

Unfortunately I havn't translated it, maybe some online translater might help. Otherwise, the pictures and videos might give an impression? As John Wright said => its a bit tricky to get an edf-horten flying right. If interested, send me an email.
- Thomas
http://translate.google.com/translat.../index-w19.htm

Looks like a very well behaved Horten sans motors. Nice!
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Old Oct 20, 2013, 06:02 AM
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thanks RCjhonny , bale and cable! very interesting link. I love balsa, and my first idea is to make the Horten in old fashion balsa build. but i'll see . this link is a good instructive help Thanks!
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