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Old Feb 09, 2013, 09:50 PM
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The collet type adapters are much superior to the little bitty set screw ones. I have seen numerous set screw ones come loose. Any plane I get that has the set screw type does not get flown until I change it to a collett.
That's funny I do the exact opposite! I have never trusted the collet adapters vs. set screws against flat spots on the motor shaft... I prefer above all else the prop adapters that screw right to the bell of the motor, but you usually only see those on bigger setups.

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Old Feb 09, 2013, 09:57 PM
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If you weren't 2+ hours away I'd be there!!
I know U would,, sunday U going to fly BEFORE or AFTER church or berore or after BABY is fed
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Old Feb 09, 2013, 10:15 PM
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That's funny I do the exact opposite! I have never trusted the collet adapters vs. set screws against flat spots on the motor shaft... I prefer above all else the prop adapters that screw right to the bell of the motor, but you usually only see those on bigger setups.

Tom
I don't have a lot of experience with planes, but been involved with industrial machinery all of my life and if you want a solid and precision attachment to a shaft or anything round, you would not consider a collar with a set screw, a collett is the only way to go. Precision alignment along with 100's of time the surface engagement for grip.
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Old Feb 09, 2013, 10:27 PM
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I too prefer collet type adapters.
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Old Feb 09, 2013, 10:51 PM
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Goes together nicely. It's actually a tad smaller than I expected but that's not a bad thing because I was hoping to fly it in my front yard anyway. It's cool to see the AS3X system on a larger plane.

Can't wait to wring her out!

Oh... and I forgot how bendy higher gauge wires can be which makes installing APP's a little bit of a PITA.
I hear that. I end up using thin needle pliers to get them started grabing from the very back of wiper, then push. Probably a better tool could be hacked together for this. [EDIT] I guess they sell such a tool.
http://www.powerwerx.com/crimping-to...oval-tool.html
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Old Feb 10, 2013, 04:34 AM
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I unexpectedly got maiden mine yesterday after almost a 2 week wait My flying club has a waterlogged entrance and soft strip due us receiving twice the normal winter rainfall in December/January. Trudging everything into the strip from the car was a PITA but I had the club to myself!

The winds were about 6mph with small gusts and I had an into wind runway - the bit where we normally park!

After flying my T28D like I stole it (I don't care now it has been in a tree), it was time for the maiden. I don't like how there is almost no elevator movement in Sport low rate so I used Sport high rates. I was nervous as I am only an 'advanced beginner' but the aircraft sailed smoothly skywards. After a quick inverted CG check, I did some sport aeros and spins both ways up and found it delighful. I can't do much 3D but I did try a couple of easy waterfalls. To my amazement the landing was a piece of cake. On the T28D I kept overshooting as I found it hard to judge speed in the wind but the Visionaire just seemed to 'dial in' nice.

For the second battery, I tried a bit more in 3D mode. There seemed like a lot of wing rock in normal harriers and none inverted but I am not sure how good my harriers even were. Before I knew it the 5 minute warning was going. The first battery hadn't charged again yet so I flew the T28 in a stupid fashion but then it started raining.

So, only 2 short flights, nothing impressive but enough for me to know the plane 'flies big' and will be able to do whatever I can learn to do.

I have just ordered a third battery (Overlander 25-40C) to go with an identical one and the PZ one. I think this will be enough as I can charge up to 3 at the same time and in normal club use you cannot fly all the time like I did yesterday.

I am going to look at this prop attachment now and see if I can do the elevator clevis strengthening.
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Old Feb 10, 2013, 06:57 AM
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I hear that. I end up using thin needle pliers to get them started grabing from the very back of wiper, then push. Probably a better tool could be hacked together for this. [EDIT] I guess they sell such a tool.
http://www.powerwerx.com/crimping-to...oval-tool.html
Wow! That's so cool! I used a small straight edge screw driver to press onto the back of the housing. Worked ok but that tool would be the ticket!
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Old Feb 10, 2013, 07:02 AM
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Go, WTG! I knew you would like it and 2 weeks is a long wait... You guys have been getting a good soaking over there and no end in sight. You have to grab a few flights when you can. You will find every flight gets easier as you get used to it. I finally got to fly in little to no wind the other day, sun out, birds singing....awww beautiful!
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Old Feb 10, 2013, 08:28 AM
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The collet type adapters are much superior to the little bitty set screw ones. I have seen numerous set screw ones come loose. Any plane I get that has the set screw type does not get flown until I change it to a collett.
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I don't have a lot of experience with planes, but been involved with industrial machinery all of my life and if you want a solid and precision attachment to a shaft or anything round, you would not consider a collar with a set screw, a collett is the only way to go. Precision alignment along with 100's of time the surface engagement for grip.
+1000!

Hence, why setscrews are never used on drill-press chucks or lathes!

I won't trust a setscrew-type adapter on any plane I care about. In fact, all of my larger, high-quality electric power systems have come with precision-machined collet-style adapters, and the instructions for many high-quality ARFs also recommend using them.

Joel
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Old Feb 10, 2013, 10:08 AM
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OK, Turnerm - what's up. I come home from church, check the weather at your place and it says 50F with 10 mph winds - where's the video?
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Old Feb 10, 2013, 11:05 AM
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OK, Turnerm - what's up. I come home from church, check the weather at your place and it says 50F with 10 mph winds - where's the video?
Copying it to my computer as we speak! Coming up...
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Old Feb 10, 2013, 11:36 AM
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2nd flight with the VisionAire. I can tell that I'm really going to enjoy this one. I was enjoying it so much that I ignored my timer and flew to LVC which resulted in a pancake landing. No damage.

A couple of observations:
  • First - I LOVE it.
  • I think I'll setup a throttle curve as it requires a little more throttle in hover than I'm used to.
  • KE flight is locked in but it does require a hefty amount of rudder. Not a problem, just an observation.
  • Rollers are awesome. Sometimes though it feels like the AS3X locks you in and makes it difficult to turn while doing rollers. This could've also been due to the wind.
  • The AS3X system is really, really nice. It was fairly windy for a foam plane of this size and it really didn't notice the wind a bit.
  • Blenders aren't the greatest but still doable. I did a KE spin on my first flight and like the blenders... not great but still doable. This plane is more about low and slow for me.
  • I need more batteries!! I just ordered some this morning.

Parkzone VisionAire - 2nd Flight (7 min 6 sec)
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Old Feb 10, 2013, 12:04 PM
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Turnerm - I was telephoning you in the last minute of that flight.........to warn that your battery was getting very low!!!!

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Old Feb 10, 2013, 12:07 PM
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Visionaire pilots...please check, check and re-check the tightness of the prop nut. Use a proper wrench and tighten the nut very tight.

The e-flite collet-type prop adapters do not grip the motor shaft well unless you really torque them hard. I have had this problem on other similarly equipped planes. Even when really tight, they don't seem to stay that way.

I mention this because the prop and adapter came off my Visionaire during a flight today. Now I need a new wing set due to the resulting crash. The sad thing is I had checked the prop nut just a couple of flights before. It was tight. The issue, I think, is the collet prop adapters just don't grip the shaft properly. If I can find a set-screw type adapter that fits, I'm going to install it.
cat,

This method serves me well over the years. Clean the shaft and collet with rubbing alcohol. Mix up a small amount of "JBWeld" epoxy and apply to the inside of the collet and outside of the shaft. Install the collet adapter correctly and the put your prop on, then a washer, then the nut and crank it down nice and tight. Let it sit for 24 hours and then you are good to go. No more airborn ejections.
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Old Feb 10, 2013, 12:23 PM
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Turnerm,

Nice flying! Great save at 1:10! Also enjoyed the stationary rollers at 2:55. What would you estimate the wind-speed was at the time?

Joel
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