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Old Jan 23, 2013, 11:02 PM
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We are very happy to see you guys having a good time, after all that is what this hobby is about it!.
On my last post I omitted to mention few points that I think are important for first flight with VisionAire.
CG
The most accurate way I found to check the CG for VisionAire is by checking it in flight. This recommendation it is on the manual as well. We also give you a balance point from leading edge back. This reference point is where plane balance. But the thought behind checking in flight is because it is the most precise way to check and in this particular airplane. The best CG for this plane is the following: Flight horizontal and wing level, around 3/4 to full throttle. Then do half roll and put it inverted. The model should fly "hands free" (no push/no pull) for good period of time (might be 4-5 seconds....1001, 1002, 1003, 1004/1005!) . Plane should be flying up wind.
The plane it is designed around that CG location, things like, wing angle, motor angle, RX tune, stab angle, etc. Also this CG is not a CG that is for experts, this is the best for the airplane, which equals the best CG for everybody.
From manufacturing point of view we need some tolerance, in general the provided battery should be place in the middle of the battery compartment. Most likely you ill be using only the rear velcro. The idea of the two velcro is to give you choices. Install the provided stick velcro in the battery and with one velcro it proved in all our tests to be more than strong.
So when you go out for first time balance the plane with the reference balance point we provide in the manual. You should be very close. Then do the flight test I just described and you should be in good shape.

Trim
It is important to to have the sub-trim set to absolute zero. Trim has a small tolerance (read below). If Sub trim is not zero and trim not inside of the tolerance you would experience inconsistency. You will also experience shift servo position when channel 5 it is switched.
Tips:
Sub-trim set to ZERO. and never move it.
Set all trims to zero. Then mechanically adjust the control surface till you get all of them in perfectly neutral.
So take off in general flight (channel 5 position 0) and trim you airplane. Trim the airplane at full power. You might have some needs to trim. Do so till the plane is trim and flies hand free.
Do your CG check I explain above. If CG is not there land the airplane and move the battery till is good.
Then, land the plane and check/mark where the control surface are. Then set your TX trim back to zero and then re-adjust linkage length till control surface align with your marks.
Take off and re-check but should be ready to go.
All this process it should take few minutes, but it it worthy.
Note: Trim has a small tolerance. Up to 3-4 clicks each direction it is ok. We build this tolerance so you do not need to be all the time mechanically adjusting the linkage.
The best way to check if you are inside of that tolerance is by flipping the channel 5 and you should not see any of the surfaces moving. If they move, it means your trims are too far from neutral.
I do not know but it is just my competition mind, but I really like to fly airplanes that are well trim and set up.
So from my experience over the years and in particular now with the VisionAire these are the recommendations that I thought would be helpful for you guys.

Happy flying!

Quique Somenzini
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 11:06 PM
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i am getting 6 min,,,full 3d ,,,using 30 to 65 percent of throttle,,low and slow,,,using 70 to 80% of battery.1760 is 80% of batt...... i fly visionaire inbackyard,about 100 by80ft .can land in about 10 to 15 seconds after timer goes off......fly edge 540qq slow in backyard also, timer at 6min ..use only 60 to 75% of battery....less throttle = more flyght time
So Dale, if you were only going to get one of these 2 planes as a learn-3D plane and

1. there was always at least a 10mph wind
2. flew in a short grassed field about 2/3 football field

-which would you get?
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 11:08 PM
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Got mine from Model Flight yesterday & with the weather being great I went straight to the Adelaide park lands, instead of driving 100 km home :-) put it together in about 45 minutes, the only problem I had was when I flicked channel 5 from normal flight to 3d the elevator would move up about 5 mm's. So I did another bind with the gear switch changed & it was still doing it on the ground so I manually trimmed the elevator with it set on 3D, took it for a flight & when I landed it was all working great, so not to sure what was going on. Anyway I class myself as a very average intermediate. I've had a few 3d foamies to try & learn 3D with but this one is the one i've been weighting for, had a ball with it & great to fly. Took a few runs to get it manually trimmed & with different winds & different batteries I still find I might need 1 or 2 clicks to get it spot on, have herd trimms should be at 0 but I cant see a problem with 1 or 2 clicks ???(hope im right I now just fly it on 3D & just change my rates with 90% of the time on high rate, it is still very easy to fly set up like that & I find it also easier to land on 3D as u have more control. Fantastic plane & am now doing slow flying manuvers that I was struggling with before. Love my Stryker for fast stuff, Icon in my back yard on the river but this is my favourate 3D & general flying plane.
In the park putting it together
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 11:28 PM
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Quique, I can't thank you enough for coming on here to respond to the questions. The two answers I needed were in your post. Thank you again!!
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 11:59 PM
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So Dale, if you were only going to get one of these 2 planes as a learn-3D plane and

1. there was always at least a 10mph wind
2. flew in a short grassed field about 2/3 football field

-which would you get?
visionaire,,,,,, edge flys better slow in 0 to about 3 mph breeze,,,5+ winds it needs more throttle and hight to cut through wind........also pretty stable for size and weight.........less to 0 3d in 10 + winds,but still fun.......only have flown visionaire in 0 to about 3 mph..with as3x , real stable ,EASYER to hold in hover and slow high nose harriers,,also if it falls out of a maneuver it falls slow .unless U R about 3 ft off of ground,,, should be stable and floaty in 10 mph winds but i cannot give answer about 3d in high wind.......check out vids of QQ flying in small gym....and chuck seeker flying ...acouple pages back..Dale BACKYARD is 100 by 80 ft
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 12:11 AM
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Quique, I can't thank you enough for coming on here to respond to the questions.
I agree, this is a really good "support" !!!
However,last but not least, Quique's postings convinced me to buy this plane. My birthday is coming soon and - now I have my wish
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 01:32 AM
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You know you have a good product when the manufacturer/designers are prepared to enter into dialogue with its customers. Good one Quique and Parkzone.
Im curious, How does entering into "dialogue" make good products?
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 03:07 AM
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Im curious, How does entering into "dialogue" make good products?
The customer feedback loop is most important for any product or service.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 04:48 AM
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looks like it travels in style
Not really, just an old Falcon wagon Nice to meet u last thursday at ETSA park ( the good looking big guy asking questions about the Visioair
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 05:22 AM
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Not really, just an old Falcon wagon Nice to meet u last thursday at ETSA park ( the good looking big guy asking questions about the Visioair
ahh the wagon with a wheel hub missing haha good to chat, not a very successful indoor flight, i have a feeling it was in General not 3D? as he said he didn't have enough elevator, it's the same plane i have here and it flew great first flight.

Now i know i go on about this plane but wow just back from a session with my UMX Sbach and i swear the VisionAire has given me that, what ever it is and i flew the Sbach the best i ever have and on 100% rates

long weekend coming up hope we get some good weather i have a new Hobbyzone Glasair to maiden

cheers chuck
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:22 AM
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Quique, I can't thank you enough for coming on here to respond to the questions. The two answers I needed were in your post. Thank you again!!
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:49 AM
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Im curious, How does entering into "dialogue" make good products?
What do you prefer?

The old business style: A company that spend 90% of their time designing what they THINK the customer want (without ever asking anybody) and 10% of their time fixing the stuff the customer didn't even want in the first place.

Or:
A company that listen to the customer, spend 90% of their time designing exactly what their customers want and need, and 10% giving them something they didn't expected at all (but still wanted, just didn't knew about!).

A good example is software/operating system. What we usually get when we get an "update", or new software/OS is simply what some programmers (totally out of the loop) think we need, or need themselves (which is not better), or copied from another company, without even thinking if we really needed that or not.
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I think it is great that he took the time to talk on here.

I have to commend HH on getting products from announcement to the market faster than ever. However, my hope is that they are not sacrificing the quality of their products for the speed to market. SEVERAL of their new releases has suffered from QC issues that should not have happened and many people have said shrugged them off.

Don't get me wrong, I love HH products! I have well over 10 of them. But these latest releases with their issues have affected my confidence in their products.

I really really hope that this plane stays rock solid as it has shown in the videos because it looks very promising! Still not sure if it is for me...yet.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 07:42 AM
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Bigger!

Would you prefer a Visionaire to be bigger or is the size just right?
I'm fortunate to have a long runway and plenty of space in which to fly.

My regular model of choice is a 50cc Yak, but I like this Visionaire a lot.
Yes,it's a park flyer, but I might enjoy one with a 60 inch wingspan or larger.
Anyone else, or am I alone in this?
Your thoughts?
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 08:44 AM
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The customer feedback loop is most important for any product or service.
Spot-on!!!

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