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Old Jan 02, 2013, 01:22 AM
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first "3d" plane help needed

Hey everyone, i am looking for a plane to serve two purposes, firstly i want to start getting into 3d style flying, and secondly i want a plane that can handle moderate winds very easy. i was looking at and almost ordered a PZ stryker f27q which seems to fit the bill perfectly but the price tag is holding me back ($300 for a wing , that is comparing it to HK) so is there any other alternative that would fit the two purposes, something like a sbach or something?

thanks in advance,
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Old Jan 02, 2013, 05:22 AM
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It would help to know your location as some things are available easier in some locations than others. I don't see how the PZ Stryker comes into 3D either but your other choice of some sort of Sbach is more relevant. Moderate wind is a bit open too, you often find what some people call windy is nothing compared to what others consider windy. For a first 3Der you really want something that can take the knocks that will come with learning this new style of flying, it will make it easier if you don't have to worry so much about those moments. A 32inch profile foamy like the Twisted Hobbys range could be a good choice but someone starting out might find they don't like to fly them in so much wind. Once you've got the hang of them they can be great fun to fly in the wind as can be seen in quite a few video's around on the net but until you get them under a good bit of control you can find them getting blown away pretty easily. You could go up a size range to the likes of the 39inch RCF range or better still to the 44to48inch Telinks or RCF's that would handle the wind better. I don't have any experience of the bigger RCF's but can say that the Telinks can fly in a good bit of wind and still be fun. A lot of people say that full fuse planes are better in the wind than profiles but at the minute I don't have any direct experience of this with foamy's but can say it is true of true of Balsa's. I do have a Wattaplane/skywing edge on the way which is a ply/epp hybrid full fuse but I don't think I'd recommend this for a first 3Der. I've heard good things about the VA Models range of full fuse models that are almost entirely foam which could make them better for a first time 3Der. Good luck with whatever you choose
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Old Jan 02, 2013, 06:09 AM
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The stryker and 3d don't fit in the same sentence. It is a fabulous windy day machine, but not much kin to a 3d plane. The profile foam 3d planes are the place to start with these machines, but maybe not if you are talking about significant wind. They are fine in 10-15 mph, but are not typically fun in much more.
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Old Jan 02, 2013, 09:28 AM
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get the 3DHS 48" EPP Extra.

If you are brave (not sure about your experience) get a balsa frame. I got the 48 Edge (out of stock) and just kept it high. I flew it at winds in access of 20mph.
If you want balsa, you can also look into their 47" SHP or 41" Edge.
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Old Jan 02, 2013, 10:30 AM
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I recommend Va-Models full fuse all Epp planes from EppHobby. They dont get blown around easily, flys like balsa planes, and being made mostly out of foam, really makes them easy to repair and prefect for 3d beginners.
I'd say get the Elite
TH 32 profile planes are fun but they get blown easily on the hands of 3d beginners.
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Old Jan 02, 2013, 10:49 AM
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I recommend Va-Models full fuse all Epp planes from EppHobby. They dont get blown around easily, flys like balsa planes, and being made mostly out of foam, really makes them easy to repair and prefect for 3d beginners.
I'd say get the Elite .
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Old Jan 02, 2013, 11:13 AM
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Hello Vortex,

Welcome to 3D flying world!
EPP Profile planes are very durable and the bigger ones handle the wind better but I'd say the full fuse EPP planes penetrate / handle the wind the best for foamies. Also, transition would be so much smoother and easier when you are ready for balsa planes. Hope that helps!
If you have any other question, please don't hesitate to post / ask

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Old Jan 02, 2013, 12:25 PM
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Its all good to say you want to fly in wind. But if youve never flown 3D, i would learn in the calm. Taking the wind out of the equation makes it hugely easier to learn. (ask me how i know). I learnt to fly power on a 32 crack yak. It was quite intimitating to learn to fly to start with even on 2s, as i always seemed to be flying in the wind. But once i got the hang of it and learnt to handle it in the calm flying over the short summer we had, in wind was a lot easier.
Forget balsa or a bigger model, from my experience get a little 32 inch 3Der and take small steps.
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I have built a scratch build foam plane from the scratchbuilt section and had it in 20 mph winds without issue. The plane only weighs 12 oz as well.

http://www.3dmondesigns.com/Lil%27-Ripperplans.php

I have seen a guy at my local field with a Dynam Sbach and I'm thinking of getting one. He had a catastrophic failure (spinner and prop came off) at about 100 feet and he was able to land it deadstick without issue. I was very impressed that a 3d plane had that type of unpowered glide ratio.
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Old Jan 02, 2013, 04:31 PM
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thanks for all these great suggestions, i guess i was misinterpreting the stryker, i think i will go for a profile 3d plane at first and maybe stick a gyro on it to help when the wind picks up.
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Old Jan 03, 2013, 08:13 AM
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From my experience i would highly recommend VA Model planes from either epphobby.com or gr8skyho by.com The planes are a breeze to build/fly and the quality in the epp foam, paint scheme, and hardware is superb. You definitely wont be disappointed


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Just announced today, the Visionaire was designed for exactly this - introducing pilots to 3D flying.
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