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Old Dec 29, 2012, 03:50 AM
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Hey now,
I remember all those years ago when I was the kid coming to the park with my dad to learn to fly. I remember those strangers coming across the park to see if we wanted help too. They taught us what we needed to know and they became good friends over the years. When we asked them how we could pay them back for all their help they replied that we should help the next beginners we met. I still do that close to fifty years later.pay it forwards. That's how it works.

Oh, and the reason we walked all the way to the other side of the park? We didn't want to bother or get in the way of those experienced pilots we saw.
Every time I see some noon I remember how glad we were when those folks offered...
RobII
Not taking anything away from the good Samaritans that helped you, but 'back in the day' even the most unhelpful among us were totally obliged to go talk to any other flyers in visual range because they needed to check what frequency others were flying to avoid being 'shot down'.

If nothing else that necessity to check frequency was in ice-breaker. Different ball game these days of 2.4GHz. If someone wants to stand at the other end of the field and do his own thing then it is perfectly possible to leave him to it. And you don't know for sure he doesn't have a clue what he's doing until he crashes, which is a bit late to offer help.
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 03:55 AM
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It's a fine time to help. As the more experienced flyer you are probably the only one that thought to bring a bag to carry the pieces in.
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 08:26 AM
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Yep, they pop up at the sports fields where I fly sometimes, usually a dad and his son. They head to the opposite end of the field and the dad proceeds to destroy his sons Christmas/birthday present with a series of increasingly desperate dorked hand launches. The thought process (if there is one) seems to be 'if it didn't fly last time throw it harder and higher!'

Once the plane is thoroughly destroyed they trudge away never to be seen again.

In the days before 2.4GHz I'd have gone over and checked what frequency they were on, but these days I just leave them to it. I do feel guilty for not offering to lend a hand but I figure if they wanted help they would come over and ask for it, I don't like to stick my nose in uninvited....

What would you do?

We've had several at our field. I walked over to one father and son, introduced myself and invited them to fly with the rest of us even though they were learning as well as giving them the rules for flying at the field (where the pilots box is, where we take off and land and some other general safety rules. I ended up spending an hour helping them out and they had a very successful first day.
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 10:18 AM
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I read these horror stories every year. When I worked in a hobby shop some years ago I saw some things that repeated themselves over and over.
People would insist on buying planes designed for experienced pilots as gifts for total newbies. No amount of discussion would sway them. I could see in my mind the pile of broken airplanes as they walked out the door.
One memorable individual insisted on buying a P-51 ARF and an engine along with a rather expensive radio and everything needed to fly it. He admitted never having flown a radio control plane of any kind. Try as I may I could not talk him out of that plane and into a trainer. I even offered to help him learn to fly but he walked out of the store about $800 poorer and carrying a plane he couldn't possibly fly.
Abouit a week later he came back with a bag full of crashed airplane parts demanding his money back. I told him to see the owner as I could not help him. The owner asked if I explained that he would probably not be able to fly it and he should consider a trainer. The guy said I did. The owner pronounced him the new owner of a bag of crashed airplane parts and wished him good luck in the future.

Case closed.

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Old Dec 29, 2012, 11:03 AM
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It would be good if local clubs would get a local TV station to put a spot on the 6:00 PM news offering club help to newbies with their ARF's model planes.
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 11:10 AM
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One way to break the ice is to go over, introduce yourself and welcome them to the field, make a positive comment on their plane and see what happens. Usually they'll say whether they're new and you can go from there. Just don't show up all full of advice, most males resent that.


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Old Dec 29, 2012, 11:12 AM
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Yep, they pop up at the sports fields where I fly sometimes, usually a dad and his son. They head to the opposite end of the field and the dad proceeds to destroy his sons Christmas/birthday present with a series of increasingly desperate dorked hand launches.
lol. Reminds me of my first flyable Christmas present way back in the 1950s. It was a Cox Thimbledrone control line stunt plane made from very thin (read that unrepairable) plastic. Of course my dad had to fly it first to make sure it worked OK. So we went into the street in front of the house, and after much fussing with the .049 engine we got it running. My dad then took the control line handle and the airplane immediately leaped straight up into the air, then straight down into the pavement. Needless to say, the airplane never flew again.

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Old Dec 29, 2012, 11:21 AM
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lol. Reminds me of my first flyable Christmas present way back in the 1950s. It was a Cox Thimbledrone control line stunt plane made from very thin (read that unrepairable) plastic. Of course my dad had to fly it first to make sure it worked OK. So we went into the street in front of the house, and after much fussing with the .049 engine we got it running. My dad then took the control line handle and the airplane immediately leaped straight up into the air, then straight down into the pavement. Needless to say, the airplane never flew again.

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Hey, that's exactly my story, only it was my older brother. And the ^$#%$ didn't even offer to pay for it. I think it cost about 8 or 9 dollars.


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Old Dec 29, 2012, 01:44 PM
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I read these horror stories every year. When I worked in a hobby shop some years ago I saw some things that repeated themselves over and over.
People would insist on buying planes designed for experienced pilots as gifts for total newbies. No amount of discussion would sway them. I could see in my mind the pile of broken airplanes as they walked out the door.
One memorable individual insisted on buying a P-51 ARF and an engine along with a rather expensive radio and everything needed to fly it. He admitted never having flown a radio control plane of any kind. Try as I may I could not talk him out of that plane and into a trainer. I even offered to help him learn to fly but he walked out of the store about $800 poorer and carrying a plane he couldn't possibly fly.
Abouit a week later he came back with a bag full of crashed airplane parts demanding his money back. I told him to see the owner as I could not help him. The owner asked if I explained that he would probably not be able to fly it and he should consider a trainer. The guy said I did. The owner pronounced him the new owner of a bag of crashed airplane parts and wished him good luck in the future.

Case closed.

BM
"... demanded his money back."
I do not doubt you one bit.
How does someone... anyone do THAT!?

Wait... was his wife out in the car with the motor running?
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 01:56 PM
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It would be good if local clubs would get a local TV station to put a spot on the 6:00 PM news offering club help to newbies with their ARF's model planes.
Well i am also a metal detecting fool ! I see some guys leaving horrible messes where they dug up grass in a park, i could never catch them,so i put a ad in paper offering ANYONE free help on learning the correct way to remove sod and grass so you would never know it had been dug up. not one person responded. SO now im going to catch them and they will let me show them or ill turn them in so my hobby don't get shut down ! Now back to our program , why is it some guys insist on getting Jets or COOL looking way to fast plans,against all advise ! I started with a string motor powered COX plane that was crashed within minutes lol,then few years later went to fuel powered trainers and joined a club where they trained me. this training cannot be replaced by any sim. If there is a club around join it ..
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 03:50 PM
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Both local hobby shops that existed then (both now closed) had clubs that they sponsored. I was a member in both and I still hold membership in those clubs.
I also had a list of instructors that I could refer a newbie to depending on where the newbie lived so that he would be close to home.
Would not have helped this guy because he watched someone fly and it looked easy. He said anybody could do it with no problem at all. There are those types among us you know

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Old Dec 29, 2012, 04:23 PM
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Hey, that's exactly my story, only it was my older brother. And the ^$#%$ didn't even offer to pay for it. I think it cost about 8 or 9 dollars.


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Hey that's my story too except that it was my younger brother who went first!

He had a Corsair and I had a Stuka and both had .049's in them. I "let" him go first and then decided to pack mine up and headed back to the car. My Stuka never flew unfortunately and probably got tossed by my mom when I moved out and went to college.

It was about 30 years later before I finally got a Super Cub LP and a flight simulator as a birthday present before I finally took up the challenge again.

-Mike
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 06:08 PM
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One way to break the ice is to go over, introduce yourself and welcome them to the field, make a positive comment on their plane and see what happens. Usually they'll say whether they're new and you can go from there. Just don't show up all full of advice, most males resent that.


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It's worked for me in two cases. Even if they feel intimidated by the experienced pilots, an offering of some advice never hurts. One of the father and son team has been to our field more than a half dozen times now, possibly more. The other pair I ran into at the LHS and they looked shocked as it was a week or two after our first and only meeting and I greeted them both by name, and told the sales clerk to take good care of them.
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 06:25 PM
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when i started flying i went to the experienced flyers and asked for help and advice - after all, it was me who needed something, not them. of course, everyone has different personalities.
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Old Dec 30, 2012, 09:37 AM
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Another good opener is to ask them how they like the plane. Usually if it's new, it is out of trim and I often hear how it's hard to control. Then an offer to help trim it out is generally accepted. If not back off and watch the fun.

The only thing I hate worse than seeing a plane crash is to miss seeing a plane crash.


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