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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:10 PM
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Why people have a right to high capacity magazines

During a riot, the police are under no obligation to defend you.

Indeed, during the Rodney King Riots, a jewlery store owner, while getting jewels under police escort, discoverd this.

The police retreated, leaving him to defend his life and property.

Fortunately, he knew a gun store owner.

This all came out in congressional testimony, but for some reason wasn't picked up by the media.

LA Riots Korean Store. (1 min 47 sec)


La Riots store owners protect store with guns (3 min 29 sec)


This could have meant the difference between life and death on many levels, from literally, to practically after millions of dollars in assessts were stolen.

During a riot situation, you *need* high capacity magazines.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:27 PM
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We need to militarize the police in order to stop civilians armed with assault weapons.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/152295..._bank_robbery/

The people's right to fetishize assault weapons shall not be infringed.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:31 PM
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Let's face it, we don't NEED them... I personally only think I NEED a high cap mag for my carry gun so I have more rounds on me in a single mag... But then again, I have way more 30 round AR and other mags than I know what to do with...

BUT... We don't NEED big houses, 60" TV's with outrageous audio systems, R/C places that fly 10+ miles out, buffets to feed our obese nation, off-road trucks to have fun on the weekends, or any other thing that isn't vital for any reason.

We have these things because we CAN, and it's up to you thanks to your freedoms whether you want to get them.

It is just another meaningless piece of plastic or steel that is being targeted by a specific agenda to enact some sort of feel good ban for this agenda. It happens with all sorts of things and hobbies. There are people freaking out to ban so many different things, and most of them are dismissed due to it being realized that banning the item won't change whatever they are protesting about. High cap mags are no different. After the '94 ban, there were no changes in the amount someone could attain, and bad shootings still happened. But people "felt" like something had been done, so the could get back to their daily routine and forget about it.

It's never the object... but always is...
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:32 PM
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We need to militarize the police in order to stop civilians armed with assault weapons.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/152295..._bank_robbery/

The people's right to fetishize assault weapons shall not be infringed.
When are those asking for an AWB realize knives, hands and feet kill more people than assault weapons do?
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:33 PM
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We need to militarize the police in order to stop civilians armed with assault weapons.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/152295..._bank_robbery/

The people's right to fetishize assault weapons shall not be infringed.
You say that as if the typical person owning a black rifle is a bank robber.

The typical person owning a black rifle, isn't as you claim.


As I recall it, those criminals were actually armed with actual fully automatic firearms; not the "AWB-class" firearms.


IOW, they were armed with assault rifles, not civilian semi-automatic variants.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:34 PM
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High capacity magazines make rescue all the more probable in times of distress:

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On September 4, 2005, New Orleans police received a call from an officer at Danziger Bridge reporting gunfire. Several officers—including Sgt. Kenneth Bowen, Sgt. Robert Gisevius, Officer Anthony Villavaso, and Officer Robert Faulcon—arrived at the scene in a Budget rental truck. They proceeded to open fire with assault rifles and a shotgun on an unarmed family, the Bartholomews, who had been walking to a grocery store and were then sheltering behind a concrete barrier.[4] 17-year-old James Brissette—a family friend—was killed, and four other people were wounded.[5] Two brothers, Ronald and Lance Madison, fled the scene, but were pursued down the bridge by Gisevius and Faulcon in an unmarked state trooper vehicle. Faulcon fired his shotgun from the back of the car at Ronald, a developmentally disabled man who would later die from his injuries.[4] Bowen was later convicted of stomping him on the back before he died,[5] though this conviction was overturned for lack of physical evidence.[4] Lance Madison was then taken into custody and accused of the attempted murder of police officers.[6]

No weapons were recovered at the scene, and both police and civilian witnesses testified that the victims had been unarmed.[5] Later investigation showed that some shots had been fired in the area by trapped residents attempting to attract the attention of rescuers.[7]
Also, if the bystanders in the recent NYC incident had assault rifles and high capacity magazines then the police would not be in the hot waters it now finds itself in.

High capacity magazines are a win-win...
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:37 PM
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We need to militarize the police in order to stop civilians armed with assault weapons.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/152295..._bank_robbery/

The people's right to fetishize assault weapons shall not be infringed.
You're completely right! They were completely unprepared due to ignorance. They knew these weapons were out there in the hands of criminals, like this, and still armed patrol officers with .38 revolvers. No one to blame but themselves.. that's why they now carry AR's (non "assault-rifle") in every car.

"Fetishize" them or not, (which I don't see a lot in the gun community except outcast mental shooters that make the news) it IS your right to. But you are in CA, so I understand you don't have quite the rights as a lot of other states and have accepted that.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:42 PM
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We need to militarize the police in order to stop civilians armed with assault weapons.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/152295..._bank_robbery/

The people's right to fetishize assault weapons shall not be infringed.
What's your point? I'm talking about the right to protect your life and property, and your talking fetishize?
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:42 PM
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No one NEEDS to fear losing the privilege of owning a gun unless there is the very real realization it could happen.

What is needed is a very just system that prevents guns from getting into the wrong hands. You have a justice system , Its just not working. Heaven forbid ever having to increase taxes to pay for one that does.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:44 PM
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High capacity magazines make rescue all the more probable in times of distress:



Also, if the bystanders in the recent NYC incident had assault rifles and high capacity magazines then the police would not be in the hot waters it now finds itself in.

High capacity magazines are a win-win...
The police had assault rifles, so I would have prefered a nice hunting rifle. That would have ended that situation quickly.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:48 PM
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What's your point? I'm talking about the right to protect your life and property, and your talking fetishize?
That's what the ignorant do, LoneWolf. They instantly go to the most extreme of cases for examples in subjects they don't understand or agree with. They don't like guns, so they are automatically just a ridiculous, pointless, fetishized, piece of metal to kill with. Absolutely no other reason for them. I can assure you that I've hit more steel and paper targets on a fun Sunday afternoon, than people, but nevermind that! There are a lot of these guys around.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:53 PM
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I don't understand the complaint about hi-cap mags.In some incidents criminals (like the Aurora shooter) had failure to feed probs...which caused his rampage to stop,as he cleared the stoppage.

...too bad only one realized his gun jam was their opportunity to run...or whatever.

“These after-market extended magazines have a tendency to jam,” the source said.

http://kwgn.com/2012/07/23/victim-au...saved-my-life/
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:54 PM
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No one NEEDS to fear losing the privilege of owning a gun unless there is the very real realization it could happen.

What is needed is a very just system that prevents guns from getting into the wrong hands. You have a justice system , Its just not working. Heaven forbid ever having to increase taxes to pay for one that does.
I agree. But the biggest problem is we AREN'T enforcing the system we have now... And what sucks is a lot of the guns getting into the wrong hands are stolen and used or sold for crime, or bought by someone that historically documented SHOULDN'T have been able to buy them. This is the biggest flaw and is NOT what is being focused on.

We need better education for people buying guns, which can lead to more responsible gun owners. This could prevent a lot of the thefts as well! Keep your guns locked up properly so they don't get stolen.

All of this is just better enforcement of current laws. This whole ban and law-changing attitude has spiraled out of control.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:56 PM
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No one NEEDS to fear losing the privilege of owning a gun unless there is the very real realization it could happen.

What is needed is a very just system that prevents guns from getting into the wrong hands. You have a justice system , Its just not working. Heaven forbid ever having to increase taxes to pay for one that does.
The justice system problem isn't really a funding problem.

The criminal placement problem outcome of the justice system is, without question. Unfortunately, it seems that we keep providing a greater level of Rights to criminals in prison than we do for citizens in public.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 02:58 PM
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The police had assault rifles, so I would have prefered a nice hunting rifle. That would have ended that situation quickly.
No, they didn't. They went to a local gun store during the shootout. This event IS what changed Law Enforcement policy across the nation on arming patrol officers.

But your preference is spot on! The shooters were eventually taken out by a Special Response Team marksman armed with the era-common Winchester model 70 rifle, and did indeed end the situation.
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