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Old Dec 07, 2012, 05:47 PM
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I love this place.
It is fun to watch. I keep expecting to hear my mom yell "Boys!!!! Stop fighting and get ready for bed."
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 06:06 PM
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MtnGoat is American, last time I checked, this is an American chat site, so let's use American rules for him, right?
Having problems with his new clothes?
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 06:11 PM
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I have never seen a larger group attack on a member of LTUP since I have been here.
You ain't been looking that hard.
anyway who is doing the attacking?
I just asked the goat to post something that made sense.
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 06:14 PM
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He uses concepts which are familiar to anyone who has read up on Libertarianism. I think it's unfair to accuse him of not using English, when he actually is, just in a way that requires more than a cursory glance to understand.

He didn't obfuscate, as he easily could have, so I think the accusation unfounded.

I have seen in previous cases, accusations against his "English", where the accuser was simply ignorant of Libertarian concepts. It wasn't a case of MtnGoat;s English skills, it was a case of simply not having the frame of reference to properly evaluate his words. I think that also is the case, here.

If any of his "English tutors" can explain what Libertarian concepts are involved, without resorting to Google or similar, I will happy retract my opinion.
If the Goat is trying to sell Libertarianism, would it not be reasonable to expect him to post in a manner legible to those who have not read the fantasy books he takes his ideas from.
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 06:41 PM
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 06:58 PM
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I bet somehow it would still end up being Bush's fault. Besides, it is clear that the America people don't really want prosperity as long as they can take the rich down with them. Revenge you know.
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 08:28 PM
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If the Goat is trying to sell Libertarianism, would it not be reasonable to expect him to post in a manner legible to those who have not read the fantasy books he takes his ideas from.
If one was interested in making a valid case my arguments were wrong, why one would be showing actual contradictions in them instead of resorting to the method you're demonstrating here.

I notice you have few problems with the fantasies of the left, where the contradictions abound. Of course this is a given for moral systems which not only make no claim to being logical, they actively avoid self analysis or critiques which would result in one which is. After all, down that path would be the falsification of so many of the assertions the ideas rest upon.
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 08:56 PM
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If the Goat is trying to sell Libertarianism, would it not be reasonable to expect him to post in a manner legible to those who have not read the fantasy books he takes his ideas from.
Legible libertarianism? That's like trying to prove Twilight is non-fiction.
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 11:32 PM
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If one was interested in making a valid case my arguments were wrong, why one would be showing actual contradictions in them instead of resorting to the method you're demonstrating here.

I notice you have few problems with the fantasies of the left, where the contradictions abound. Of course this is a given for moral systems which not only make no claim to being logical, they actively avoid self analysis or critiques which would result in one which is. After all, down that path would be the falsification of so many of the assertions the ideas rest upon.
I have made valid cases before, each time you claim I am arguing against something you are not saying.
This is a common argument from you, not just with me, but with others.
Each time we take one of your posts, brake it down and argue against it, you move the goal posts, change the idea, say we are misunderstanding your points.and the best one, when we have you cornered and shown to be in error, you abandon the thread and start one on a different subject.

I have no problems with my beliefs, I don't believe they are what you make them out to be, the left does not believe half the things you claim it does and does not do the things you say it does.
As for your stated beliefs being based on Logic and morals, what a load of
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Old Dec 08, 2012, 01:34 AM
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I have made valid cases before, each time you claim I am arguing against something you are not saying.
This is a common argument from you, not just with me, but with others.
Each time we take one of your posts, brake it down and argue against it, you move the goal posts, change the idea, say we are misunderstanding your points.and the best one, when we have you cornered and shown to be in error, you abandon the thread and start one on a different subject.

I have no problems with my beliefs, I don't believe they are what you make them out to be, the left does not believe half the things you claim it does and does not do the things you say it does.
As for your stated beliefs being based on Logic and morals, what a load of
And of course goat derails a thread to be all about him, no less!
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Old Dec 08, 2012, 01:46 AM
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I have never seen a larger group attack on a member of LTUP since I have been here.
I would suggest that you cannot have been paying attention then. If you doubt that just think back a little to the threads that involved a substantial number of members making actual personal attacks on, for instance, Kenny Sharp. In contrast this thread does not contain any personal attacks on Mtn Goat.
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Old Dec 08, 2012, 01:50 AM
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If the Goat is trying to sell Libertarianism, would it not be reasonable to expect him to post in a manner legible to those who have not read the fantasy books he takes his ideas from.
One would normally expect someone to be cogent in the subject that he is discussing before they started accusing him of not posting in English.

Say, did my explanation do any good? Did it make his post "understandable"?
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Old Dec 08, 2012, 02:06 AM
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I bet somehow it would still end up being Bush's fault.
Bush? Who's he?
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Old Dec 08, 2012, 02:08 AM
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If it was post 43, it didn't exactly flow off the tongue, but as I'm used to correcting English by native Spanish speakers, I might not be the best judge.
Did my explanation help?
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Old Dec 08, 2012, 02:12 AM
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Having problems with his new clothes?
Now see, I don't get that reference, unless it's a reference to The Emperor's New Clothes, and I don't see how it fits. No one is supporting a denial of reality WRT someone else's fantasy.

But I wouldn't accuse you of not posting in English, when it's a lack of understanding on my part.
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