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Old Dec 06, 2012, 03:17 PM
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No, they aren't. Football coaches are paid that kind of money because of the revenue generated by a successful program at a big school. Winning football coaches aren't easily replaced, either.

I could care less about sports but the fact is Football is a huge business and pay fo those at the top reflect that.
The real perspective is the four man engine company that comes and pulls you out of your burning house won't make in their combined lifetimes what Bielema will get in six years.

I thought after school sports was a fringe benefit. Oh well I am a Badger fan and Barry Alvarez is coaching the team for the Rose Bowl. Bielema never won us one, Barry won three.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 03:24 PM
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Why are people who volunteer to wear helmets in far away places and get shot defending our country paid less than 1/60th of what overweight guys are paid to teach other overweight helmeted guys, many of whom are paid even more, to defend an inflated piece of pig skin?

It wasn't so long ago (the 70's) when NFL football players all had to have day and off-season jobs to earn a living, get benefits and were paid by the teams as contractors about 7-15k a year. Maybe it's not just being 'a huge business,' but priorities, and not just on this issue alone.

This is a truly first 'roman' war for America; the mainly plebes and poor that make up the Legions get sent off to the far reaches of the world to die for and by the rich and the powerful political elites aided by a bureaucracy and chatterer class that never goes while the majority of the population stays home untouched, functionally uncaring beyond token gestures and partying at our movie theaters and sports arenas watching mock combats while the patricians (and now corporations) profit. We even glorify our Legionaries in the same hollow fashion of Senātus Populusque Rōmānus.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 04:39 PM
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Bread & circuses, anyone?
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 08:23 PM
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The real perspective is the four man engine company that comes and pulls you out of your burning house won't make in their combined lifetimes what Bielema will get in six years.
Do a little online research and find out what firefighters in LA get paid, it may not be millions but they are well compensated. As it is many places are having huge problems paying the salaries and pensions of police, firefighters, garbage men, etc. People who volunteer or sign up for a job know what they will be paid before going in. Because a university decides to give a coach two million a year, I don't see how that changes the reality of what other people are paid when there are only a handful of coaches and athletes compared to public servants.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 08:34 PM
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If you were the "paper pushers" you would all be happy today.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 08:36 PM
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It wasn't so long ago (the 70's) when NFL football players all had to have day and off-season jobs to earn a living, get benefits and were paid by the teams as contractors about 7-15k a year. Maybe it's not just being 'a huge business,' but priorities, and not just on this issue alone.
And in the 70's soldiers were called baby killers and spat upon by those folks who now call them heroes every time it's expedient to do so, and they didn't even volunteer like they do today.

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This is a truly first 'roman' war for America; the mainly plebes and poor that make up the Legions get sent off to the far reaches of the world to die for and by the rich and the powerful political elites aided by a bureaucracy and chatterer class that never goes while the majority of the population stays home untouched, functionally uncaring beyond token gestures and partying at our movie theaters and sports arenas watching mock combats while the patricians (and now corporations) profit. We even glorify our Legionaries in the same hollow fashion of Senātus Populusque Rōmānus.
Unreal. Everyone in the military at present volunteered (for a variety of reasons) and the fact is a tiny precentage die, get injured or even see any combat compared to past conflicts. To suggest this country is sending people off to war while not caring what happens to them is simply absurd. Maybe we should ban all RC hobbies until every soldier overseas is back home?
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 08:36 PM
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If you were the "paper pushers" you would all be happy today.
Wait till the jobs get shipped elsewhere. Give it a year or so.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 09:12 PM
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Why are people who volunteer to wear helmets in far away places and get shot defending our country paid less than 1/60th of what overweight guys are paid to teach other overweight helmeted guys, many of whom are paid even more, to defend an inflated piece of pig skin?
How do you get shot defending your country when you're a thousand miles outside its shores?

Pro athletes are fairly compensated considering their primary function is to put butts in the seats, not just to play the game. Their salaries don't seem out of line when you look at how much a 'good' NFL or NHL team is worth.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 10:00 PM
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Wait till the jobs get shipped elsewhere. Give it a year or so.


Been there, you all would be surprised at what is typeset in other countries and printed in the U.S.

There union seems pretty strong. So who knows.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 11:47 PM
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Speaking of offshoring, at least Apple is pushing to have at least their iMac production moved back to the USofA.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,2720461.story

'course the US employees will be working for those Taiwanese slave driving masters at Foxconn but hey, its work.
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 11:00 AM
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Mr. Ace, college football programs are not self-supporting. They don't generate excess revenue for the school, but, in fact, require subsidies. Even the claim that "football leads to increased donations to a school" are false; the donations that are generated are for the football program, and there is no spillover into library, other sports, etc. This is hard to believe, but came out once independent audits were required.

There are a few exceptions, namely the few schools that have national TV contracts.

But for the rest, from big to little, football loses money for a college/university. The same is true when a team is invited to a Bowl game; that is, you don't make up the losses by having a winning season, but rather increase losses by participating in a Bowl game.

Some supporting information: ( Google "football loses money" to find more if interested):

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2008/05/16/ncaa
http://aspatula.blogspot.com/2008/05...-football.html
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 12:33 PM
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You point to two blog-like articles from 2008? Okay.

Fact: College football is a huge business and no matter if a school loses money on it, big programs are part of the DNA of many institutions and paying a coach a million dollars is done for the sake of the brand. I haven't heard of any schools closing their doors because of football spending.
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 01:51 PM
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You point to two blog-like articles from 2008? Okay.

Fact: College football is a huge business and no matter if a school loses money on it, big programs are part of the DNA of many institutions and paying a coach a million dollars is done for the sake of the brand. I haven't heard of any schools closing their doors because of football spending.
Some truth there. I know the local University here where I live closed the football program a few years ago as it was exspensive to have and generated no revenue for the school. They have maintained basketball and hte coaches are paid well to keep getting quality athletes that also want an education. Don't get to play there unless your grade point is above average!
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Old Dec 07, 2012, 06:10 PM
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Man this thread is going to the dogs. I think its time for the mods to move it to the LTUP basement.
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