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Old Dec 05, 2012, 09:44 PM
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I misread your statement i see. I read it as go pro using the footage....

The plane manufacturers selling aerial footage as promotional material perhaps are getting away with it because of no direct profit from the footage...that comes delayed as more off shelf demand... maybe since we cant find any prosecutorial information they are just calling bluffs. None of them got coas to film or the grants would be locatable in databases

Based on the information given could you see them getting through all these waivers?
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 12:16 AM
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Don't you guys speed in your cars
And do many things against the law

When's the last time you had three beers instead of egalitarian limit of say two

I say the police

Who really cares and who really does care
Lawyers. With this attitude of yours your going to make one rich one day soon.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 02:01 AM
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i think the FAA dude had to call you so his ass was covered, so he can't lose his job. he doesn't care whether you fly your stupid planes with cameras
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 06:01 AM
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So in a nutshell - if you go to that link and can get an exemption to these two CFRs then you can fly your foam airplane to make some money taking photos for people.

Eddie
Apparently, in most countries it's pretty much illegal to take pictures from the air.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 06:02 AM
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i think the FAA dude had to call you so his ass was covered, so he can't lose his job. he doesn't care whether you fly your stupid planes with cameras
Depends if there's a fine quotum to reach.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 06:58 AM
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Tarro your question is invalid because you left camera on plane out of the equation

Filming from ground up to your plane, and profiting, legal.

From plane to anywhere while in the sky, without commercial acknowledgment by faa, illegal

If you want to taxi your plane and film/sell that's legal. If it rises off ground in sustained flight you can't.
you can profit off rc planes flying in the nas with magazine features as long as the footage didn't come from the air.
So we can fly our RC planes for profit if we do not have a camera on board?
Interesting.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 09:51 AM
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does the human have to be alive for it to be a manned aircraft? I could put my grandpa's ashes in the cockpit.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 10:29 AM
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So we can fly our RC planes for profit if we do not have a camera on board?
Interesting.
No, it is not legal to operate any UAS for any commercial reason what so ever. So if you are flying your plane in any way, camera or not, and receiving compensation for doing so, You are operating against FAA regulations. You are a terrorist and will be put to death.

http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 10:58 AM
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No, it is not legal to operate any UAS for any commercial reason what so ever. So if you are flying your plane in any way, camera or not, and receiving compensation for doing so, You are operating against FAA regulations. You are a terrorist and will be put to death.

http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/
I don't think it really matters whether commercial or not. It's the filming from the air that's basically illegal.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 10:58 AM
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I saw nothing in the link that discusses how Rc magazines are allowed to make money off Rc planes in the nas which they do.

There is a difference to the FAA between a uav and an Rc plane, post that and we'll have something helpful.

You can make money off Rc planes pictured in flight. You can't make money with pictures taken from an Rc plane. You can snap paparazzi pics from the ground and make money...but not with a quad even though it will be done soon. Its just one is legal, one isn't, currently

All pictures of Rc planes in the sky are for profit in magazines, its allowed. Where the camera is changes things
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 01:23 PM
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one answer to the dilemma

"When you can't solve the problem .... change the problem"

I have a small but intelligent bird who understands English, about as smart as a trained dog, except that he makes his own decisions, which include considering my requests. If you Google "kiki avitron mall" you will see in the short clip that he responds to me shouting "Left!". He flies MUCH faster outside, of course.

He is not "trained" per se, but it is quite possible to actually train a bird large enough to carry a small camera to FOLLOW an R/C plane. My bird will not only follow the Avitron ornithopter, but small fixed wing aircraft as well. Another more complex variation would be to have a radio on the bird so you could speak to him. In any case ...

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Old Dec 06, 2012, 01:37 PM
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Lol, how about a radio-controlled FPV bird using a mind control device to override the animal's brain?
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 01:48 PM
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I saw nothing in the link that discusses how Rc magazines are allowed to make money off Rc planes in the nas which they do.

There is a difference to the FAA between a uav and an Rc plane, post that and we'll have something helpful.

You can make money off Rc planes pictured in flight. You can't make money with pictures taken from an Rc plane. You can snap paparazzi pics from the ground and make money...but not with a quad even though it will be done soon. Its just one is legal, one isn't, currently

All pictures of Rc planes in the sky are for profit in magazines, its allowed. Where the camera is changes things
If the guy flying the plane was paid, is that bad?
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 01:49 PM
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Lol, it's not about commercial use itself, but to profit from something that's illegal is basically the strongest evidence of doing something that could be penalized. It's basically a legal thing, getting an income directly from these activities just counts harder than taking pictures itself.
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Old Dec 06, 2012, 01:58 PM
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Lol, how about a radio-controlled FPV bird using a mind control device to override the animal's brain?
Speaking simple commands to the bird over a radio is all that's required for a trained bird. But that opens the question of "control".

Having the bird FOLLOW the plane is much simpler. And easier to defend w.r.t. legality. I saw a video in this forum showing a hawk knocking a camera off an R/C glider: the camera was filming all the way down. Next step: can the bird legally pick up and take off with the still-running camera? Can he drop it again? If he's a nice bird, can he give it back to you if you ask?

Even a "trained" bird has free-will [unlike "mind-control"(snicker/mars bar)] and is legally outside the control of the FAA. But there are other govt. agencies dealing with animals who might argue that one was "abusing" the animal,

But then at least you have another agency with which to deal. Find a Canadian bird ....



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