Originally Posted by Steve85

Your paper suggests that Luxemburg's murder rate in 2002 was 9.01 per 100,000, compared to Germany's 0.93. Just Googling around, I discovered here:

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/...ourg/cri-crime

that Luxemburg had two (2) "manslaughters" in 2002 in a population of 474,000. That's a "murder" rate of 0.42, which is half the figure quoted in your study for Germany, and less than 1/20th the figure quoted for Luxemburg that year.

I don't know Kates and Mauser from Adam, but if their work contains this kind of error, they're either grossly incompetent or lying... neither of which lends much credible support to their conclusions.

logan? Are you still there, logan? Maybe it would be better if the gun-control advocates didn't actually read your paper...

Originally Posted by DLGjunkyard

Bingo

Takes a split second to kill yourself with a gun , very little pain AKA easy way out

Meh I got some pills thatll do the same thing, wont feel a thing.

I don't understand why "celebrities" even need to weigh in on these things. Why? Because they can?
We have Pink Floyd at the U.N. George Clooney in Congress. Kim Kardashean(sp?) meeting Middle East Ambassadors etc, etc.
Certainly there are smarter people in the room than musicians and actors and whatever Ms Kardashean is that we can listen to about such important issues.

Originally Posted by D W

I don't understand why "celebrities" even need to weigh in on these things. Why? Because they can?
We have Pink Floyd at the U.N. George Clooney in Congress. Kim Kardashean(sp?) meeting Middle East Ambassadors etc, etc.
Certainly there are smarter people in the room than musicians and actors and whatever Ms Kardashean is that we can listen to about such important issues.

I'm with you on that! Kim Kardashian? I can't think of any self-respecting cause that would claim her as a "spokesperson"

Originally Posted by P-51C

Time to get rid of all the cars...

It would be nice, wouldn't it?

Unfortunately, cars are still our primary means of transport. They get us from A to B and thereby make all manner of things possible, including a commensurately larger economy. Cars are also comparatively far, far safer than guns, if the average number of uses per fatality is taken into account, and getting safer all the time.

With the exception of a primary producer protecting his produce (howzat for alliteration), guns in the wider society serve no useful purpose, except to generate a bit of business for those who sell yet more guns. Guns do not transport, improve, or make anything. They are designed to kill and maim, which immediately and incontrovertibly sets them apart from otherwise useful devices whose capacity to hurt is an incidental byproduct consciously minimised by their design - cars, boats, elevators, pencils...

The fact that almost any implement can be used to cause injury is completely irrelevant to the issue of civilian gun ownership.

I've stirred the pot enough for one afternoon. Time to go see what's for supper. All you gun-lovers down south, take care.

This guy that worked at my local gun shop, put a sign out front during an AR-15 sale, that read, "Get your AR-15,s here, BEFORE THE DEMOCRATS DO". Anyway, the gunshop owner(even though we thought it was funny as hell), got very mad at the guy. He said, and I qoute, " Democrats are some of my best customers".....

Originally Posted by billyd60

I want to know how he can say:

"... without handguns they would both be alive today"

.......How does Bob Costas know these things? Is he superman?......

No, he's even better than Superman. He's Bob Costas.

They should fire Costas. He had no business bringing up his personal beliefs on the air.

Charlton Heston; From My Cold Dead Hands. Long Version (2 min 46 sec)

Nuff Said

Originally Posted by Steve85

logan? Are you still there, logan? Maybe it would be better if the gun-control advocates didn't actually read your paper...

I'm glad you did read it. Did you perchance also notice that every table and every piece of data was refereneced to other studies and government reports?

Originally Posted by ambientech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ju4Gla2odw

Nuff Said

How long would Costas have been on the air if he'd taken this position?

Originally Posted by DaveG

No, he's even better than Superman. He's Bob Costas.

Bob seems like a nice guy, but he needs to stick with sports.

If you are mad/crazy enough to pick up a gun and shoot an unarmed person, you are mad/crazy enough to kill them with a baseball bat, a crowbar, a knife, fill in your favorite household object here.

If he didn't have the gun, he might have killed her anyway, but then not killled himself which would have made the tragedy even worse. At least he can't do anyone else any harm or cost the taxpayers millions while liberal lawyers tried to keep him off death row. So there's that.

Originally Posted by billyd60

Bob seems like a nice guy, but he needs to stick with sports.

If you are mad/crazy enough to pick up a gun and shoot an unarmed person, you are mad/crazy enough to kill them with a baseball bat, a crowbar, a knife, fill in your favorite household object here.

If he didn't have the gun, he might have killed her anyway, but then not killled himself which would have made the tragedy even worse. At least he can't do anyone else any harm or cost the taxpayers millions while liberal lawyers tried to keep him off death row. So there's that.

. Im having a hardtime with your logic. His infant daughter now has no parents Perhaps if it wasnt for his gun they might all be alive, seeking help ,you know, being a parent. I cant imagine his now infant daughter growing up and applauding gun use, can you?

Originally Posted by DLGjunkyard

. Im having a hardtime with your logic. His infant daughter now has no parents Perhaps if it wasnt for his gun they might all be alive, seeking help ,you know, being a parent. I cant imagine his now infant daughter growing up and applauding gun use, can you?

A very close friend of mine hung himself with a dog leash leaving a wife and small children without a Daddy. . Should we outlaw dog leases?