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Old Feb 06, 2013, 11:23 PM
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Industry Canada requires that you have a HAM radio license ( basic level ) to use telemetry at radiated power levels greater than 0.75 milliwatts .
Just so long as you have somebody with a HAM radio certificate present during the
operation of a UAV or even an FPV then it's OK. So you can have one member of
your UAV team who has an SFOC and the other member with a HAM call sign.
A person having possession of both certifications is best and maybe it might have a positive affect on your insurance rate.
I am just in the middle of a course for acquiring my Canadian HAM license. Please be aware that this is an amateur broadcast operating certificate only. This will NOT allow you to conduct operations in a commercial application. It is the equivilent of a Private Pilot License. Recreational use only but you may operate and broadcast continually in an emergency situation.

As far as I can interpret the requirements for a Canadian SFOC, it is a direct visual contact LOS operation only. This does not include BLOS or LOS with the pilot flying FPV (goggles or laptop) as far as I can tell. The spotter is required to advise of other conflicts with air traffic and any other safety of flight issues. If you need to operate a camera with remote equipment then another dedicated operator is required (ie, operating with FPV goggles). As far as I can tell the broadcast equipment then requires testing from Industry Canada to meet their commercial requirement standards plus certification of the operator other than HAM. I don't think that a lot of the offshore hobby electronics meet this standard......if so it would be a bit of dough to certify it with Industry Canada or the FCC. A few hoops to jump through to be sure.

Lots of twists to this commercial end of things. I think that this technology is so in it's infancy that there are more questions than answers to do it all in a legal fashion. Frustrating to say the least for a small time operator.

Funny enough, then there is the GoPro wireless control that allows you to operate a camera in more or less real time (5sec delay) with router technology. A limited range to be sure but it still works really well and is legal! Weird....eh?

I am just the messenger. Don't shoot!!!!

Hey......could be worse. Just look at the Oregon Bill SD71 thread.


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Old Feb 07, 2013, 04:23 AM
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MJ that is my understanding as well. As soon as it becomes commercial then all elements need certification, including the fpv equipment. So right now your pretty much only going to be able to do los since most fpv gear being used is not IC certified. I suspect most UHF long range radio gear would be the same.
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Old Feb 07, 2013, 07:23 AM
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I am just in the middle of a course for acquiring my Canadian HAM license. Please be aware that this is an amateur broadcast operating certificate only. This will NOT allow you to conduct operations in a commercial application. It is the equivilent of a Private Pilot License. Recreational use only but you may operate and broadcast continually in an emergency situation.

As far as I can interpret the requirements for a Canadian SFOC, it is a direct visual contact LOS operation only. This does not include BLOS or LOS with the pilot flying FPV (goggles or laptop) as far as I can tell. The spotter is required to advise of other conflicts with air traffic and any other safety of flight issues. If you need to operate a camera with remote equipment then another dedicated operator is required (ie, operating with FPV goggles). As far as I can tell the broadcast equipment then requires testing from Industry Canada to meet their commercial requirement standards plus certification of the operator other than HAM. I don't think that a lot of the offshore hobby electronics meet this standard......if so it would be a bit of dough to certify it with Industry Canada or the FCC. A few hoops to jump through to be sure.

Lots of twists to this commercial end of things. I think that this technology is so in it's infancy that there are more questions than answers to do it all in a legal fashion. Frustrating to say the least for a small time operator.

Funny enough, then there is the GoPro wireless control that allows you to operate a camera in more or less real time (5sec delay) with router technology. A limited range to be sure but it still works really well and is legal! Weird....eh?

I am just the messenger. Don't shoot!!!!

Hey......could be worse. Just look at the Oregon Bill SD71 thread.


MJ
You are absolutely right.
I forgot about the commercial aspect.
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Old Feb 07, 2013, 08:22 AM
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I certainly learned a lot in the last 2 pages. I understood that SFOC is like submitting a flight plan ? There are some guys here in Quebec that do it commercially, and it looked like a lot of regulations and insurance costs, now I understand it a lot better.

Personally, I think it would be nice to make a bit of money out of the hobby, but with all the restrictions I feel it would soon remove the fun out of it and put some pressure because there is a lot involved with the safety, insurance, managing others working with you AND the client so not for me. Apart maybe a little paying pic here and there, but it didn't happen yet.
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Old Feb 07, 2013, 09:23 AM
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exactly. Commercial use by FPV products we use is basically illegal in all respects. I do not get this rush to try and make money flying our hobby grade planes and quads. I certainly would love to use it for ambitious volunteer projects like SAR or to help with university research, but am certainly not in it for the money. I'm in it for the FPV flying first and foremost - as per this forum title, which is not about videography.
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 09:52 AM
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No matter what you do, hobby or professional, you should always approach it with safety as a priority. If you think safe, you should do well.

Here is a vid of my personal distance record that I did last May. It was my EG Pro, live feed from gopro, 500mw 2.4 vtx. Great video out at 2.4km, even when I was pretty low. I've since retired the EG Pro and moved over to the 1900 SW and 1.2 video. My wife wanted me to go to a birthday party for her girlfriend's boyfriend. Don't know him so I went flying instead. I did buzz the house where she was at so I did show up.

Easy Glider FPV DVR recording (15 min 30 sec)
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 10:10 AM
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I did buzz the house where she was at so I did show up.
LOL ! Bring a multi or plane to the party and fly over the place (safely) and install a screen for the other attendees, you'll steal the show. Password = poulet

https://vimeo.com/49155774
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 10:32 AM
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Nice flight Buffy. Hey the GoPro link image is pretty neat. How is it on overcast days?
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 10:32 AM
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LOL ! Bring a multi or plane to the party and fly over the place (safely) and install a screen for the other attendees, you'll steal the show. Password = poulet

https://vimeo.com/49155774
Very nive vid, loved that you showed some ground shots in also. Now that was a party. I can see why the password is "poulet" hehe.

Turns out, the boyfriend works for the miltary, with UAV's. Do our forces have UAV's?
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 10:38 AM
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Nice flight Buffy. Hey the GoPro link image is pretty neat. How is it on overcast days?
I can't remember if it was the GP1 or GP2. The GP1 will show more dark areas on the ground, when towards bright light. The GP2 was better. On an over cast day, it worked well. Nice even displacement of the light around, no visible sun to mess things up. I've since gone to dedicated FPV cameras and GP for the HD footage. I do still use live feed on my MK quad. Here is an example of what multis can do for people, SAR. I used my MK Quad to find a downed wing. He searched for two weeks and couldn't find it. I think it went further then he thought. I found it on my first battery. It was a good feeling helping out. The battery was toast but everything else was fine.

MK Quad Rescue Mission (5 min 42 sec)
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 11:11 AM
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...Do our forces have UAV's?
Yep ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...dian_Air_Force

And BTW, that chicken and ribs were VERY good !
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 11:34 AM
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That awesome Buffy, glad he found his wing!
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Yep ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...dian_Air_Force

And BTW, that chicken and ribs were VERY good !
yeah watching that vid made me hungry
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Old Feb 08, 2013, 01:20 PM
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Hi all canadian pilots Need some help here: I'm looking to buy for some rf attenuators (fixed), from 5 to 30DB, DC to 3Ghz or DC to 6Ghz supporting min 0.5W and max 2W, from a canadian source. Actually tried ordering directly from minicircuits a kit of 5, but shipping charges are really too d.... expensive !!! 61$ a kit, 80+$ shipping !!?? Thanks a lot
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Hi all canadian pilots Need some help here: I'm looking to buy for some rf attenuators (fixed), from 5 to 30DB, DC to 3Ghz or DC to 6Ghz supporting min 0.5W and max 2W, from a canadian source. Actually tried ordering directly from minicircuits a kit of 5, but shipping charges are really too d.... expensive !!! 61$ a kit, 80+$ shipping !!?? Thanks a lot

Here is a 1 watt 0 to 3 ghz 8db. This should work for you.
http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail...263-ND/1767717
or 0 to 6 ghz http://www.digikey.ca/scripts/dksear...44=546&stock=1

What are you using it on?
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