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Old Nov 21, 2012, 09:02 PM
BEOWULF
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Ok - DAVID22 is a great pilot - and a great non-OSD pilot in areas that he knows well. But it's VERY dangerous for inexperienced guys to listen to what he says about RSSI is not needed.

I have flown 22 miles away. But sometimes in the wrong environment when you are flying towards a 433mHz emitter - you can see your RSSI dropping off MUCH faster than normal. This is a great indicator that you likely won't be able to pull off long range at that site (or taking that flight path).

NON-osd flights are fun - but make NO MISTAKE about it - proper failsafes (w/out an auto-pilot) will NOT save your plane if you get in bed w/ an emitter that has been steadily chopping down your control for a few miles w/out you having any way to notice. Once you get close enough to that emitter to start failsafes, you may never regain control or be able to turn the plane back towards home.

Tread SLOWLY and lightly on long-range flights where you can't monitor RSSI.
If you fly unstable plane like a wing as example then hard to get plane to,turn around slowly and smoothly

But you should have say UHF system that is able to be set in the air

Fly as normal as if you would going long range with OSd or not

Usually flying long range you go up and out in steady fligHt
Or if you are new to place fly around slowly and get to know the area in lots of ways
Like if uhf does not work well in certain areas, or,if video cramps out

But set your fail safe to make your plane glide around in a circle
Always fly into,wind if going long range so the plane will come back in fail safe

You will regain control,of the plane

As you fly just because you get poor rssi or failsafe don't let this stop you from going further

Flying long range with no OSd is not easy and some what complicated

Experience is worth more than words

Even a fun jet as example can be set for fail safe to glide around in circles
Until, control is regained

It's complicated to explain how to do some things for me

Like as example low rssi is basically fail safe right

So set rudder as example to move left just slightly with elevator
Low rssi ie fail safe will make rudder and elevators Move intermitently

Just for split second, it's indicator of,low,rssi with no OSd

You can hear servos move and plane move a bit

Like pan or,tilt servo,for,camera is perfect example
Jitter in camera, you set fail safe for camera just,off straight forward

You will then see low rssi

When you conduct proper ground testing and walk away with plane you will find area that fail safe and low rssi happen
It is very intermitent area on the ground

But in the air it is much larger distance to play with

Ie
You don't need rssi but can utilize fail safes when set properly in the air

I fly through rough rssi areas by flying through them to get to clear airspace further away

It's not uncommon to get intermittent fail safes or low rssi

Flying with no sod is complicated in a way
But not really
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 10:17 PM
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I think many of the considerations that you've spoke of are all really for like... SUPER long range flying. Me, if I go UHF, heck I'd probably only fly out a mile or two just for fun.



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Old Nov 21, 2012, 10:22 PM
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I think many of the considerations that you've spoke of are all really for like... SUPER long range flying. Me, if I go UHF, heck I'd probably only fly out a mile or two just for fun.



Dan

Then you for sure not need osd

I used to fly 2.4 for rc control,when I first start,out fpv
Actually thank god there was failsafe indicators

But Daniel wee is absolute genius
He should,of patens pending the set failsafe in the air

Very very smart idea setting failsafe in the air

As Daniel invented

For a reason before rssi was invented for,OSd

Range video invented rssi and OSd
I,got very first version range video OSd capable,of rssi reading, still on my bench at home
He write and make program , elcheapo, is the guy, for my OSd as requested by me as favour from Thomas, Thomas mad at me for never useing rv OSd he helped develop or ask elcheapo,make work to,let me,see,rssi

So I actually have very first ever OSd still, on bench at home, to see on OSd and rssi readings formuhf but never needed it

It's a collector edition with elcheapos signature on it, he sighted it or initialed it with date etc.

I watch storage wars and this OSd must be worth money

It's also eligible for free upgrade, elcheapo,would,jump out,of his shoes if I sent in his first OSd capable of rssi readings for,UHF in the history of fpv

I don't need OSd because of Daniels failsafe settings invention
It's very practical and simple


Thus no need for OSd with setting failsafe in the air
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 10:23 PM
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I figured you'd say that
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 12:11 AM
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I lost only one plane in my FPV carrier because I could not find the way home. I crashed so many times because of OSD failure. The most I hate the current censors, they always die on me. So no OSD here , thank you but NO
Blessed Google Earth
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 10:10 AM
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Haha, but YES to Google Earth, I love it. Makes flight planning so much simpler + you get a feel for the scenery from above before you fly. Of course, FPV is much better



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Old Nov 22, 2012, 09:30 PM
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I lost only one plane in my FPV carrier because I could not find the way home. I crashed so many times because of OSD failure. The most I hate the current censors, they always die on me. So no OSD here , thank you but NO
Blessed Google Earth
I really like to keep fpv simple so,no failure possible happen

If someone were mathematician the exponential failure rate could be factored out
With adding possible,failures

The ideal set up is a fpv system that can be installed very simple with no extensions, small antennas, no OSd, I try many times to make pod for fpv but found that every plane is so,different in set up

Google earth is of utmost importance for long range

So is practice with eyes closed and fly fpv on simulator
This is the most important factor to fly with no OSd
It will teach you to fly with no OSd the best

Call it a religious experience flying with no OSd and actual eyes closed

Very good practice say david22 lol
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 10:36 PM
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eyes closed? FPV this way, only Jedi master can do

</Yoda>
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 10:38 PM
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HA! Eyes closed, wow. But I guess you'd definitely learn a lot about controls. Of course, it depends on the plane you're flying too



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Old Nov 24, 2012, 07:41 AM
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eyes closed? FPV this way, only Jedi master can do

</Yoda>

Hands off and not looking at goggles is interesting as well

We got to take some sort of break

It's cool feeling letting go,of controls to actually see what you plane would do in case of serious failsafe or loss of video

But on flight simulators it is highly recommended to actually close your eyes and practice Jedi principals

This will give you much experience to become Jedi
Lol

It's video game and makes you aware of where home is when eyes closed

With fpv you should study area very well,like Jedi
Would so at all,times even with eyes closed you have idea where you are

Can you imagine a jedi useing OSd
His mind is stronger than any osd
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 08:58 PM
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Hands off and not looking at goggles is interesting as well

We got to take some sort of break

It's cool feeling letting go,of controls to actually see what you plane would do in case of serious failsafe or loss of video

But on flight simulators it is highly recommended to actually close your eyes and practice Jedi principals

This will give you much experience to become Jedi
Lol

It's video game and makes you aware of where home is when eyes closed

With fpv you should study area very well,like Jedi
Would so at all,times even with eyes closed you have idea where you are

Can you imagine a jedi useing OSd
His mind is stronger than any osd
Dude, you know Jedi are not real right? They are from a fictional hollywood movie.
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Old Nov 28, 2012, 12:07 AM
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Dude, you know Jedi are not real right? They are from a fictional hollywood movie.
Oh I thought there were real Jedi or people that had powers others did not

Are you saying Star Wars is not bassed of fiction

I practiced so hard like a Jedi on the simulator when first starting out fpv with eyes closed to prepare my self for loss of video situations

I comes in handy flying like Jedi

Especially if in case of complete video loss

Once I loose video and actually flew like Jedi for over 5 min

Jedi practice saved my plane

Osd directional indicator would of been useless
Only Jedi could control plane and absolutely no video at all

I highly recomend everyone practice like Jedi on flight sim
Whether you use osd or not
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