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Old Nov 20, 2012, 10:52 PM
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Yeah it would depend on the landscape of course. If I flew out a mile I could most likely easily see the large high school complex that I was flying from, as long as I stayed nice and high

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One day switch to a 6mm camera lense
It will make seeing distances much clearer

Those things that are far away are clearer and actual distance

This makes for much better navigation

Instead of fuzzy landmark say 10 km away it will be clear with 6mm at 10 km away

Being able to see clearly is big part of no osd
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 10:59 PM
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Not knocking no-OSD flying, But part of the fun of FPV is the complex FPV and autopilot tech. Sure it takes away from the immersive experience of flying, but it is also a marvel to behold a full set of instruments and learn to use them also. Also for night flying RC planes, GPS waypoints, altitude and AHI could be real handy

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I sell my go pro as not at all interested in aerial photography

I not use OSd as not at all interested in Uav or need for assistance other than my flying and navigation skills
I use my senses to fly fpv rather than Uav or OSd

It's easy enough to install OSd and use switch to not see it on the screen
Or not install OSd at all
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 12:46 AM
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One day switch to a 6mm camera lense
It will make seeing distances much clearer

Those things that are far away are clearer and actual distance

This makes for much better navigation

Instead of fuzzy landmark say 10 km away it will be clear with 6mm at 10 km away

Being able to see clearly is big part of no osd
maybe take it a step further - use 2 cameras on a switcher - one wide angle, one narrow FOV. Or PTZ cam, ultimately.

Do you use a headtracker to aim that telephoto lens (6mm) of yours?
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 05:18 AM
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So far I have come to mistrust the mah readings on the OSD. I rely on the voltage more than anything, and I run a couple planes with Simple OSD. But I would never fly more than a couple miles without a GPS OSD - well maybe if it was a very expendable plane and I knew the geography really really well. Fancy OSD really drive up the cost of a plane, for sure! My decked out planes are like $1500 loss if I lose it. My simplest FPV planes are only $200 loss if I lose it.
Me neither, too much risk of losing a plane with no real clue where it came down. One could fly without OSD when using a couple of spotters, but I wouldn't.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 05:24 AM
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One day switch to a 6mm camera lense
It will make seeing distances much clearer

Those things that are far away are clearer and actual distance

This makes for much better navigation

Instead of fuzzy landmark say 10 km away it will be clear with 6mm at 10 km away

Being able to see clearly is big part of no osd
Sorry but my Fatshark Predators have a small enough FOV with a 3.6 mm lens. A 6mm lens would be IMO like tunnel vision but I can always test it out!



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Old Nov 21, 2012, 05:54 AM
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I drive rc car with 6mm
And planes recently with 6mm

It's a matter of adjustment of the fpv operator useing 6mm

Just like in a way being to fly fpv with no OSd

When you get used to it 6mm rocks big time

I only fly and drive rc car with 6mm and no OSd now.

I use fat shark dominator and have no problem with 6mm
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 05:57 AM
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Sorry but my Fatshark Predators have a small enough FOV with a 3.6 mm lens. A 6mm lens would be IMO like tunnel vision but I can always test it out!



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tunnel vision is like when you have never tried something out
And say it is bad

Tunnel vision is when you can only see in certain direction and not the world of opportunities and future trends
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 06:01 AM
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maybe take it a step further - use 2 cameras on a switcher - one wide angle, one narrow FOV. Or PTZ cam, ultimately.

Do you use a headtracker to aim that telephoto lens (6mm) of yours?
Go to my blog and find link to my Vimeo videos see that 6mm with no OSd is easy used

But more important clearer image and not distorted

You will se in my Vimeo history it's been years since I use OSd
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 12:20 PM
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Meh, my new PZ0420 camera doesn't even have a microphone (I think ) on it so it would be useless to put an earbud in anyways Plus that's just one more wire to solder to the vTX... but I guess that would work too for some. But of course it's just easier to have a simple OSD onboard most of the time. And I've already got enough cables running to my head for the goggles LOL
I also use a PZ0420 but there's already a mic wired on my HK 200mW 5.8GHz VTx...

when I am using the OSD I set both audio alerts and blinking text for RSSI, battery voltage and battery spent...
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 12:42 PM
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Hmm I'll have to check out some of your videos David.

Hopefully in the next month or so my OSD from HK will come in LOL. And then I'll see what I like best too.



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Old Nov 21, 2012, 07:12 PM
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Hmm I'll have to check out some of your videos David.

Hopefully in the next month or so my OSD from HK will come in LOL. And then I'll see what I like best too.



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You will be able to see further and clearer with 6mm
There is no distortion

But more important distant images or should I say landmarks are much clearer
So navigation is much better with 6mm

So even less need for OSd to help navigate

Even at low and close to the ground video quality rocks with 6mm
But navigation is more difficult

OSd and say 3.6 mm lense is good for beginner

No OSd and 6mm is not for beginner
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 07:22 PM
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Hmmm... well I'll think about it. For now 3.6 mm is fine for me, it seems to be just about right.

I also just found out today that I can see my neighbor's house 2.5 miles away (it's on top of a hill) from the high school where I fly at... so someday I'll fly from the high school back to my house and that would almost definitely need a sharper picture to see the landmarks far away (without an OSD).



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Old Nov 21, 2012, 07:31 PM
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Hmmm... well I'll think about it. For now 3.6 mm is fine for me, it seems to be just about right.

I also just found out today that I can see my neighbor's house 2.5 miles away (it's on top of a hill) from the high school where I fly at... so someday I'll fly from the high school back to my house and that would almost definitely need a sharper picture to see the landmarks far away (without an OSD).





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Before you know it that flight pattern to the school and back will be second nature

The school will be your reference point to get back home

Flying with no OSd is being aware of your plane in relation to your self at all time

You will get best video this way as well as you can aim directional antenna precicely

OSd is good for those situation when you have no idea where you are due to being mixed up as you fly fpv

Don't get mixed up but rather always know where your plane is in relation to yourself

Get to know your throttle and plane set up
This way you not need voltage OSd

Rssi OSd is not needed if fail safe is set up properly
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 07:38 PM
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Ok - DAVID22 is a great pilot - and a great non-OSD pilot in areas that he knows well. But it's VERY dangerous for inexperienced guys to listen to what he says about RSSI is not needed.

I have flown 22 miles away. But sometimes in the wrong environment when you are flying towards a 433mHz emitter - you can see your RSSI dropping off MUCH faster than normal. This is a great indicator that you likely won't be able to pull off long range at that site (or taking that flight path).

NON-osd flights are fun - but make NO MISTAKE about it - proper failsafes (w/out an auto-pilot) will NOT save your plane if you get in bed w/ an emitter that has been steadily chopping down your control for a few miles w/out you having any way to notice. Once you get close enough to that emitter to start failsafes, you may never regain control or be able to turn the plane back towards home.

Tread SLOWLY and lightly on long-range flights where you can't monitor RSSI.
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LOL ya I won't be flying that far for a while but thanks for the tips!



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