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Old Nov 17, 2012, 06:13 PM
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I started with the fullsized Parkzone T-28 Trojan. http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...an-bnf-PKZ4480 It's not that difficult to fly. Just make sure you have a good understanding of the controls. I did practice a little bit on some free sims before flying the T-28.

My second was the Parkzone Habu. http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...df-bnf-PKZ7080 I did pretty good with it, but I would not recommend it for a first timer.
I must say that you are one gifted RC pilot. Good for you for being in the top 1% percentile of the population.

How old were you when you learned? I know for a fact that younger beginners learn faster. Better reflexes, eyesight, coolness under pressure.

My batch of younger beginners back in the late 60's did not crash our 4 channel trainers during the learning phase. Later, we probably crashed every plane, eventually.

We did have instructors but no sims or buddy boxes. But we were guided by our fathers who were experienced RC pilots. As well I for one had a lot of control line experience, including full aerobatics, under my belt. So transition to RC was a snap as control line was way more difficult to learn.

I guess one aspect of younger beginners then was the absence of fear (of crashing) as we had the time and back-up resources (like our fathers) to help build, repair and finance (most important factor in those days as money was scarce and kits/balsa/engines/radios) were expensive.

For the OP, I believe that with proper attitude and sufficient simulator time, he could be successful with a more advanced type than the boring Cub/Cessna types. Nothing is impossible, but what most of us were saying is that conventional wisdom tells us it is more logical to start with baby steps. Not everyone is in top 1% percent in the talent category.

By the way, I find the Cessna and Cubs very satisfying to fly even now. Or should I say, more so now?

Zero3803 in post #20 has good suggestions if the OP has the skill to scratch build. The OP does seem to have great desire to fly and ambition but it is now tempered with better attitude. I hope he succeeds.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 06:35 PM
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I must say that you are one gifted RC pilot. Good for you for being in the top 1% percentile of the population.

How old were you when you learned? I know for a fact that younger beginners learn faster. Better reflexes, eyesight, coolness under pressure.
I just started about 1 year ago at 30 years old.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 06:58 PM
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I just started about 1 year ago at 30 years old.
That's great to hear. I like to hear more success stories like yours.

It will interesting to start a thread with a survey/poll of our ages when we started and the number of crashes before we learned to land safely Should be interesting.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 07:25 PM
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3D is a terrible choice for a beginner. Why don't you make something like this out of EPP

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3-D printers don't print 3-D planes! They print 3 dimensional objects.They are still pricey, but being developed for home use.You can turn your sketch into a viable object.It would be nice to get a CAD into a faom model in minutes.http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/...abs-3d-printer
I was referring to him talking about wanting a 3d plane, not about 3d printers.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 07:32 PM
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I would love that F22 Epp/Depron Parkjet, but my electronics are too big and heavy to use.
I realize your electronics you have are too big, but the price of gear for that plane would be about 40 dollars..and foam about the same.


Headsuprc for gear:

Motor: $7.50 http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...ushless/Detail

ESC: $13.95 http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...-18-Amp/Detail

2 servos: $10.00 http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...g-ES08A/Detail

Battery: $8.95 http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...mah-30C/Detail


Rcfoam for EPP.

6 sheets of 9mm 1.3# EPP 24" x 36" $38.00

http://www.rcfoam.com/product_info.p...a1ee2d08f7271c

This is more foam than you'd need, you could always order a couple single sheets.

So far: $78.00 not including shipping fees or a receiver.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 07:38 PM
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I started with the fullsized Parkzone T-28 Trojan. http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...an-bnf-PKZ4480 It's not that difficult to fly. Just make sure you have a good understanding of the controls. I did practice a little bit on some free sims before flying the T-28.

My second was the Parkzone Habu. http://www.horizonhobby.com/products...df-bnf-PKZ7080 I did pretty good with it, but I would not recommend it for a first timer.
quick question - how long did you practice on sims? seems like the sims helped you out a lot.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 07:42 PM
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jasmine said it best, it honestly wont matter as much as you might think once you have it in the air and are flying it. I thought the same as you and in a way i still do, I'm not a fan of the cessna type planes compared to a jet type, but honestly not many people are. An F-18 hornet will always look cooler then a cessna lol.

Now even with the Champ, it is always fun to fly, my slowstick first impressions were the same as many the first time i saw it in person, man that thing looks ugly, but to this day i havent seen a cooler looking plane in the air. stuff to chew on
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Also a beginner can benefit from the extremely simple design. As a utility plane, it can't be beat. You can easily put cameras and lights, whatever you want, and the overall system doesn't end up so complicated that it fails. Those cool planes you see with edfs and retracts and flaps and all that B.S. are just that, so complicated they don't work well. An airplane needs to be light, practical, and reliable, if it's to be used for training. It's also great if the plane is durable, and style and durability and all those other things don't go together well. Today at the field I was admiring my friend's Extra MX. He has the red one with all the bling on it, and I fly mine ghetto style, but they are both great looking planes. Anyway, we got to talking about how nice it is to fly an attractive plane that also meets the purpose and flies well... and the prevailing comment was that after your trainer, that's a great thing to have, but that ugly planes had their uses also.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 08:10 PM
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I realize your electronics you have are too big, but the price of gear for that plane would be about 40 dollars..and foam about the same.


Headsuprc for gear:

Motor: $7.50 http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...ushless/Detail

ESC: $13.95 http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...-18-Amp/Detail

2 servos: $10.00 http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...g-ES08A/Detail

Battery: $8.95 http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the...mah-30C/Detail


Rcfoam for EPP.

6 sheets of 9mm 1.3# EPP 24" x 36" $38.00

http://www.rcfoam.com/product_info.p...a1ee2d08f7271c

This is more foam than you'd need, you could always order a couple single sheets.

So far: $78.00 not including shipping fees or a receiver.
Thanks for helping me out with the gear, I have some 9g servos, could I use those instead? Also I would probably be better off buying one of their kits! They are around the same price of just buying foam, they're laser cut and include hardware.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 08:34 PM
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I started with an easy star kit, but that was a few years ago. Now the Firebird Stratos looks like it would be the best beginner plane. It's probably a good idea to get a mostly complete airplane and just learn how to fly. Otherwise you might be trying to put together a scratch built one for a long time and get discouraged.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 09:22 PM
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My first aileron plane (after having fun with, and still having fun with, a Radian) is the PZ Wildcat.I am new to these foamie warbirds, but I was amazed by how simple it is to flyiIt just lifts off from a hand launch, needed no trimming (but I trimmed it one way and then back again till I got back to the factory defalults!),and, possibly because it is mid-winged, almost self-rights after a turn.I have tried my first roll today, almost made it, have re-charged batts for another stab tomorrow.I think any tyro should try a conventional plane before having a go with an edf.But maybe that is just me.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 09:25 PM
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I was referring to him talking about wanting a 3d plane, not about 3d printers.
I know, I had just read about 3-printers, just my odd sense of humour.Though I think a home 3-D printer could knock out some easy 3-D planes for us.At a cost of 3000$,plus foam, it could be recovered with enough sales.We could re-use the same electrics.Just think, we could submit a rough sketch, get it CADed, then get the parts cut out.10 years ago, the foamies we fly now were a pipe dream, so who can say what lies around the corner?
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 09:38 PM
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Thanks for helping me out with the gear, I have some 9g servos, could I use those instead? Also I would probably be better off buying one of their kits! They are around the same price of just buying foam, they're laser cut and include hardware.
That's true, but keep in mind they're depron and not EPP. Since you have little to no flying experience, I think EPP would serve you best. EPP is a spongier foam whereas if you crash a depron plane, it will fracture although it tends to snap clean, so gluing is relatively easy. I've personally drilled an EPP plane into the ground nose first (a hyperflea and an f-22 ) and they've simply bounced.

9g servos will be fine.

What transmitter do you have?
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 10:01 PM
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http://spadtothebone.net/freeplans.htm

You pick. Can't go wrong with a spad. I'm plannin on soon a HOR, or BUHOR
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 10:42 PM
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quick question - how long did you practice on sims? seems like the sims helped you out a lot.
Not long. Maybe 5 hours over a couple of days.

Just so I'm clear, I'm not saying I did perfect. I did have some rough landings. Taking off and flying was really never an issue. I also had some experience flying toy grade Air Hog planes. Yes, flying hobby grade stuff is harder, but I do think my experience helped me.

I also spent many weeks watching video of other people flying. I watched what they did right and what they did wrong. I read many many pages of articles. etc dealing with how to fly and mistakes to avoid. I prepared myself as much as I could before my first flight of the T-28.

What's so great about getting into flying today is the fact that we have access to resources that some of the "old timers" didn't. All you have to do is get online and research. Of course just because you watch videos and read articles doe not mean you'll be able to fly. It will help prepare you though. The only real way to learn is by going out trying. If you mess up, then try to figure why and correct it.

Most importantly have fun and be safe.
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Old Nov 17, 2012, 10:46 PM
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mike, not questioning your ability - just to clear that up first. i am impressed and just wanted a crude gauge of how much sim time may have helped. yeah, i flew air hogs too but they didn't help me one bit. my personal opinion is that its sim time, ability, and prep. and you seem to have taken care of all three. kudos.
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