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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:25 PM
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... and sells your secrets to your enemy as Israel did through Pollard?
I guess you missed the news.

It was recently reported that the current President of Israel was the one who reported Pollard to the US authorities.

Maybe everything isn't what you see.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:26 PM
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You mean you ignored the video evidence provided?
You mean the actual footage of the civilian being used as a human shield?

Only by pretending that such evidence doesn't exist, can he continue his line of ''argument.''

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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:26 PM
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You mean you ignored the video evidence provided?
No, I was cynical about propaganda choosing to spotlight one girl allegedly shot by the Taliban, while completely ignoring the hundreds of children killed in cold blood by US drones.
Alleged......wrong again. The mooslums even admitted to targeting the little one.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:28 PM
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As was reported in the New York Times, the Israeli military said they shot a 22 year old. That was what started it.

Israel's next terrorist attack was when they killed a group of defenseless civilians, by shelling them from a tank.

What is it you don't buy?

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I don't buy your notion that Israel is a terrorist nation.
Surrounded by people who hate their existence has forced them into a corner.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:29 PM
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Then you would see no need for self defense, eh?
Uh.....what?
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:30 PM
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That was what started it.

Dusty
I thought you have repeatedly said that you believe that Israelis stole land, and that's what started it?

Come on now.

Israel defends its citizens and its soldiers.

Killing and kidnapping soldiers at guard or on routine patrol (which the target was responsible for) is not acceptable. There are always Israeli soldiers visible from Gaza; that does not make them targets.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:31 PM
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Wrong once again, as murder is defined as the spilling of innocent blood. Killing the enemy who has blood on their hands is morally acceptable.
Don't get me started on yasser.
So you accept Israel starting the current round of fighting by killing a Palestinian civilian was murder, and that the Palestinian response of shooting an Israeli military target, injuring four soldiers is morally acceptable. You also accept that Israel then committed murder again, by killing Palestinian children?

As you accept the Bible says murder is wrong, why do you support those who commit it?

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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:32 PM
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And that would be wrong as Israel is our friend and ally. Do you abandon your friends when the going gets tuff?
Actually, us walking away would probably give Israel the green light to do whatever it wants. We've been the ones holding her back for so long.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:33 PM
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I don't buy your notion that Israel is a terrorist nation.
Why is targeting and killing innocent civilians not a terrorist attack?

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Surrounded by people who hate their existence has forced them into a corner.
That is what happened to the Palestinians, yet the Israelis continue to push into their corner.

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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:34 PM
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Why is targeting and killing innocent civilians not a terrorist attack?
I do not believe that Israel has targeted a single innocent civilian.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:35 PM
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Actually, us walking away would probably give Israel the green light to do whatever it wants. We've been the ones holding her back for so long.
Israel has not decisively won a war since 1973 (and that one was pretty bad) since the USA has been her main supporter.

Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe the world needs to see that the USA actually has decades of efforts at stopping a massive war.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:36 PM
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I thought you have repeatedly said that you believe that Israelis stole land, and that's what started it?

Come on now.
You know as well as I do that I'm referring to the current round of fighting, and it's disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise.

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Israel defends its citizens and its soldiers.

Killing and kidnapping soldiers at guard or on routine patrol (which the target was responsible for) is not acceptable. There are always Israeli soldiers visible from Gaza; that does not make them targets.
Israel defends itself the same way that any foreign military force has to defend itself when it occupies someone else's land.

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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:38 PM
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Common sense is lacking.

If there's going to be war, Israel is going to win.

If there's going to be peace, the Palestinians will win.
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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:39 PM
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I do not believe that Israel has targeted a single innocent civilian.
What crimes do you think the children Israel targeted and killed had committed? Or how about the mentally unstable civilian they killed which started the current round of fighting?

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Old Nov 14, 2012, 03:40 PM
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Israel defends itself the same way that any foreign military force has to defend itself when it occupies someone else's land.

Dusty
Israel defends itself regardless.

Whatever its borders might be, it would still be under attack, one way or the other.

A pan-Arab acceptance of Israel's right to exist would usher in a comprehensive peace with borders acceptable to all.
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