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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:32 PM
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Replacement

From the HK site:
We are replacing all first batch modules. See the page below to see if you are eligable.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...t_products.asp

When you go to the page you find:

Product: OrangeRX DSMX/DSM2 2.4Ghz Transmitter Module (JR/Turnigy compatible)
Product ID 9171000070 has been found to have a manufacturing defect and we are replacing them automatically without need for the customer to contact Customer Service.
The manufacturing defect existed only in the first batch of products and recently sold units as well as units being shipped now and in the future do not have this fault.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 01:01 AM
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This is the way to go.

I haven't yet received my module (it is from the first batch, bought it same day it was out).

Will be waiting...
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 06:32 AM
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This is the way to go.

I haven't yet received my module (it is from the first batch, bought it same day it was out).

Will be waiting...
Me too.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 07:26 AM
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Is there any news on the Futaba compatible one yet.

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Old Nov 20, 2012, 07:43 AM
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Can anyone say with certainty that this will not work correctly with bnf blade helis? I wanted to pop is in my th9x (stock firmware) and fly my msrx and perhaps, future models. When the second wave comes, and works, I'd like to be on it.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 08:52 AM
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Can anyone say with certainty that this will not work correctly with bnf blade helis? I wanted to pop is in my th9x (stock firmware) and fly my msrx and perhaps, future models. When the second wave comes, and works, I'd like to be on it.
I can say for sure that the stock firmware has the wrong channel sequence (AETR). Unless the module includes the ability to change the channel sequence to Spektrum (TAER), it will not work. I have seen no evidence that the module has this ability.

Has anyone actually plugged the module into a stock 9x and tried it?
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 09:51 AM
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That would be a big fail from HK, if they advertise this to work with 9X they should provide that ability to the module, unless they want you to be stuck with only orange rx and genuine Sepktrum receivers, and let go all the cool BNF stuff.

Not every one wants or has the skills needed to flash the 9x to an open source firmware.

I did, but still bought this for my JR.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 09:59 AM
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Is not HK fail at all !
9X is not their radio, and it's FlySky mistake to not match the channels sequence with the JR module type. HK has no responsibility to fix this, and people fly a lot other planes than spectrum BNFs.
Actually, I wouldn't call a model plane one where you can't change channels order, or can't change components with other compatible, probably there isn't even PPM inside... this is a RC toy.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 10:21 AM
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Is not HK fail at all !
9X is not their radio, and it's FlySky mistake to not match the channels sequence with the JR module type. HK has no responsibility to fix this, and people fly a lot other planes than spectrum BNFs.
Actually, I wouldn't call a model plane one where you can't change channels order, or can't change components with other compatible, probably there isn't even PPM inside... this is a RC toy.
The FlySky decision to use the Futaba sequence goes back to the original design of the 9x about 2006/7, when nearly everything was still FM and 2.4 was just emerging. BNF models weren't even a gleam in the eye.

The new transmitter is just days or weeks away and will certainly have the ability to do DSM and work with the Spektrum channel sequence.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 11:25 AM
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The Futaba / JR different channels order difference is even older, from FM era, same age as PPM I think, and should be known by anyone mode plane pilot.
It's in the same category as the PPM shift, which was important in FM, and doesn't matter now, in 2.4G. But channels orders matters !
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 11:42 AM
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Is not HK fail at all !
9X is not their radio, and it's FlySky mistake to not match the channels sequence with the JR module type. HK has no responsibility to fix this, and people fly a lot other planes than spectrum BNFs.
Actually, I wouldn't call a model plane one where you can't change channels order, or can't change components with other compatible, probably there isn't even PPM inside... this is a RC toy.
It is if you have BNF in mind.

It isn't if you have a real rx on board.

There is room for everyone, even the "Toys" plane boys/girls

Lets agree we disagree
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 04:08 AM
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Someone has finally posted the tx manual on the HK website (maybe in response to my question which seems to have disappeared from the discussion overnight).
One interesting observation is the note regarding what you have to do if you find someone else operating your rx. I thought these types of tx were supposed to have a unique number? :>)
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 04:13 AM
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Someone has finally posted the tx manual on the HK website (maybe in response to my question which seems to have disappeared from the discussion overnight).
One interesting observation is the note regarding what you have to do if you find someone else operating your rx. I thought these types of tx were supposed to have a unique number? :>)
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That's hard to guarantee when you don't issue out the ID numbers. I can't imagine Horizon Hobby/Spektrum issuing out ID numbers to Hobbyking for their OrangeRX module!

In fact this fear that you may have the same ID could be a reason for Flying Clubs/Sites ban this module.

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Old Nov 22, 2012, 04:37 AM
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Simon,

I asked a very similar question a while ago and was told that the GUID is in the Cyprus chip and is not decided by the manufacturer of the R/C gear.
It is possible when binding on the field to accidentally bind to someone else's TX and this is why it would be possible for them to control your model.
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 04:58 AM
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Simon,

I asked a very similar question a while ago and was told that the GUID is in the Cyprus chip and is not decided by the manufacturer of the R/C gear.
It is possible when binding on the field to accidentally bind to someone else's TX and this is why it would be possible for them to control your model.
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Having a good look through the Cypress () datasheets, they do have a unique "Manufacturer ID" number: http://www.cypress.com/?id=4&rID=38064

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What is the format of the Manufacturing ID of CYRF6936 ?

The MFG ID of the CYRF6936 is a 6 BYTE value with the following format:

1st byte : 4bits version + 2 bits vendor ID + high 2 bits of Year
2nd byte: low 2bits of Year + 6 bits of manufacture Work Week
3rd byte : high 8bits of lot#
4th byte : low 5bits of lot# + high 3 of Wafer#
5th byte : low 2bits of Wafer# + high 6 bits of X coordinate on Wafer
6th byte : LSB of X coordinate on wafer + high 7 bits of Y coordinate on wafer.

So it is possible that the first four bytes can be identical among a few samples. It is the last two bytes that will be unique due to X-Y coordinates on the Wafer.
So the number is defined on when it was manufactured and the location on the Wafer that the IC die was originally born from.

That's unique enough imo!

Makes you wonder why OrangeRX put a change ID button on for? Maybe it was a just-in-case feature where if there was a lot of units out in the wild that had the same ID - and so the ID could be changed without having to send it back. Or maybe they aren't using the Manufacturer ID and just picking numbers out of random. I hope its the latter but considering the amount of problems they've had, I fear it may be the former.

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