Nov 12, 2012, 03:13 AM
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Calif*
Joined Sep 2006
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Distance measurement with Rigol
So ya wanna measure distance with 4 cheap radios & a cheap SRAM to measure propagation delay. Before investing in a full system, let's try it with a laser reflection & a Rigol.
A cheap radio would have automatic gain control & might have less capacitance, but the problems of longer rise time with a smaller signal & erratic half way point in the waveform would probably still be too great. Maybe a very low resistance pulling down the photodiode & a very high amplification would get rid of enough capacitance.
The kind of components it would take to measure propagation delay of RF are going to be out of reach, for any human price scale. You'd think someone would invent a local area GPS system, which used a different frequency, but used the same components to have a cheap GPS system in a room.
Another idea was to hack a laser tape measure to use a radio for part of the signal propagation. The same problems of capacitance & erratic rise time would apply.
The schedule is now to convert 1 aircraft to autopilot every month, combined with several days of formalities required to run a business: symbolic meetings & symbolic traveling. It's extremely ambitious & doesn't leave any time for experimenting. At least the Blade MCX came through as a viable platform, right away, & the method of overriding the controls is proven.
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A laser diode is attached directly to a microcontroller pin via the shortest path possible. It'll get 3.3V at 50% duty cycle, so it won't burn out while still delivering useful brightness.
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Next, we have a photodiode receiving reflected laser light from various distances.
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A very carefully, painfully aligned mirror reflects the laser. Should have used the heavier tripod for this.
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With the mirror 1ft away, the Rigol now becomes the Rigol of despair, as the rise time of the photodiode is nowhere close enough to the rise time of the laser to see a delay on the screen.
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With the laser moved 15ft away, now the rise time of the photodiode is hundreds of times longer than before. It has too much capacitance, causing the half way point to be more correlated with signal strength than propagation delay.
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The laser rise time is given by the fall time on the cathode, which is extremely short. There's no way to measure how long it takes to light up, in this apartment.
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The mighty capacitance fighting resistor did get the rise time down to a more useful range at 15ft, but still very erratic. There still might be useful data with extreme averaging & the higher quality amplifier in a radio.
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At 1ft, there's no obvious change in propagation delay with the noise.
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Last edited by Jack Crossfire; Nov 12, 2012 at 03:54 AM.
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