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Old Oct 28, 2012, 02:01 AM
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Wow, and i thought the 'align' natzes were bad....

Hail gaui !!!

Its only a frame dude... Get over it.

"its not how big it is, its how you use it".

I agree that certain companies make better quaility helis than others, but they all hit the ground just as hard. I cant afford an 'elitest' airframe, so i'm gunna fly the $#!t out the cheap ones, and not think twice when i hit the dirt. I can get parts real cheap and have my cheap heli back in the air doing what i love to do, becoming a better pilot. And guess what, the short comeings of my cheap parts makes me a better mechanic and builder as well. And the things i learn about this cheap 'junk', i share with the other guys that only have 'junk'.

Its a well know fact that the guys who do their best with the junk, have the most heart. I dont care about how good you think your heli is, i'll learn to fly with the best of them on my cheap junk. Show me something your guai and mikado can do that my hk and walkera cant...
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 02:08 AM
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Even though the Gaui and Mikado are better, I cannot afford them. Walkera got me in the air, and then I specifically chose the Align 450 Pro because it is like the VW Bug of helis. Parts are sold everywhere, and they are not too expensive.
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 02:58 AM
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I love my helis, and i put love into my helis. As with everything i take on personaly in my life.

Its like building a relationship. You can pay for an 'escort service' and get some. But if you love that 'woman', you'll take her on dates, get dumped, make up, go on more dates, then after building a close personal relationship you might get some. (marrage may be included in that package)

Or, like 'makeing love', you cant just 'stick it in' all the time. Try some 'foreplay' you might like it more than the act itself.

I dedicated about a year into makeing the V400D02 the best that i could. Yeah, i could have thrown it in the trash after the first tail motor quit on me, and went shoping for a 'good' heli. But where is the fun in that. I did research, asked, learned, modded, and made it better. All along this process i shared my experience right here on rcgroups. I made friends from all over the world because of it. That is worth way more than any mikado or gaui heli. This is the part your missing. Some guys get more out of this hobby than a heafty price tag. Makeing the 'unworthy' worthy. The joy and pride of saying, "i made it good" rather than "i got what i paid for". There is more to celebrate when your efforts make a change for the better. Not just buying something better... If you dont want to be part of makeing things better for others who share here, so be it. I'll miss your 'walkera hater' comments. But someone else will come along, and i'll put them in there place as well. You might find more like yourself on the helifreak site.

Ok, im done rambaling now.

Good day to you, and good night.
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 07:43 AM
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I was supposed to post this here a few days ago, but got caught up.

A quick flight report on the trex 500 w/beastX and 2801pro.

I was able to get away from school for lunch break. This was on Wedesday, the day before huricane sandy rolled in. The winds were picking up and it was kind of gusty at about 20 mph. This was only the thrid flight with this setup so i did not get to crazy with the 3D stuff. I found the beastx to be not as stable as the 2702 when there was not much wind, but now the heli was ready to tip where ever the wind blew it. Im still using the factory settings, but read through the manual to find out what changes i need to make.

I found the control response to be lacking and to help with this i'm going to change parameter menu B from 'sport' to 'pro'. I've got +/-12 of collective pitch programed in the setup. And with the tgy930mg servos, and the links set at the second hole from the end of the arm (thats where the links are perfectly vertical to the swash at 50%), it does not allow much cyclic pitch before the balls on the servo arms hit against the servo case.

I could also get a more direct control feel by adding some gain to dial 2 (direct cyclic feed forward). But i'm gunna try the switch to 'pro' first before i start changeing the pots.

I also need to add more cyclic gyro gain with dail 1. This should get a more stable hover and hold from the system. I'll try to make it as stable as the 2702 was. I'm not a fan of the 'flybar' feel that some guys look for in a fbl controler. I like stable... I saw someone compareing the beastX and the Vbar, and said "the vbar makes the heli feel like the sim." If i could do the things in real life as i do on the sim, i might get bored of this hobby to quickly. I would like to find a happy medium between 'fb heli' and 'synth heli'.

The tail gyro was holding perfectly. Way better than the tail gyro in the 2702. To keep the tail from kicking out on pitch pumps with the 2702, i had to remove alot of pitch from both pos and neg, and this made for a very bland pitch pump. Now with the beastX i have the impressive punch outs with no wagging tail. I left my tail gyro gain at 84% for the first flight with the beastX. The tail started wagging before i could get off the ground. Then once in the air, the kick back was about 2-3 inches before the tail would lock. I have the beastx internal tail gain at the half way point in HH mode (i think the light is on H), and had to reduce the gyro gain in the tx to 78%. Its holding better than the quark gyro in the 600.

Piros are now more stable, with no tilt in any strange direction during or after the piro.

So far, i am impressed with the beastx, and so far the 2801 rx is not causing any problems. (even with the set id)

I got my packs charged and the weather is looking promising. I'll try to get 6 flights through it tomorrow. More reports to follow...
With BeastX, unless you are a very beginner, which is not your case, you should use transmitter mode, pro mode or even the extreme mode are very slugish.

Now with TX mode you use your own expo setting, and if you want faster roll/flip rate, you adjust it with TX end point, if 100% is not enough, try 110%, 115%, whatever suit your need.

You can use the built in ''revo mix'' for the tail to dial out any residual tail kick in punch out.

Dial 2 set past the mid O' clock position, something in the 2-3 o'clock for correct decent cyclic response and not be afraid to put higher the cyclic response parameter, I think it's parameter ''G''.

Did you get blue led or close to blue led at 6 degre at step ''J'', this is very important for stability and overall performance.

BeastX is definitely waaaaayy more stable than 2702 in every way, it does not pitch up badly in FFF and does not fly like a dolphin when doing high speed, you can't even compare those two unit, it's toys grade VS high end product here...... The BX is actually the prefered FBL for high speed heli and speed record, other system are not as stable for speed.

V3 firmware is the one to use, there was tail holding problem with previous version and slugish cyclic feeling even with pot 2 at the max, that were solved with V3.
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 08:30 AM
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Well I have Walkera's worst products. I have a V370D01 that you CANNOT get to fly right. If the gyro is set enough, it will resist your control inputs and then accept them suddenly, standing the heli on it's nose, and if you reduce the gain, it simply won't stay in one direction even with constant correction. After the last crash, I pulled the batteries out of the TX and retired it to it's box. I also got a perfect uses Madhawk 300 with a scale fuse since I always wanted one of those, and it has the control authority of a Syma S107. I know there are good Walkera products, but I am done with them.
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 08:55 AM
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There's some heli snobbery coming out on here, not good. This is a hobby and should be enjoyed, its not a school yard where the guy with the best trainers tries taking the piss out of the guy with the worst. I like my WK heli, I even like my Esky Honey Bee and that is a piece of crap, but I like it and thats what counts aint it. Play nice people!
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 09:32 AM
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I love my helis, and i put love into my helis. As with everything i take on personaly in my life.

Its like building a relationship. You can pay for an 'escort service' and get some. But if you love that 'woman', you'll take her on dates, get dumped, make up, go on more dates, then after building a close personal relationship you might get some. (marrage may be included in that package)

Or, like 'makeing love', you cant just 'stick it in' all the time. Try some 'foreplay' you might like it more than the act itself.

I dedicated about a year into makeing the V400D02 the best that i could. Yeah, i could have thrown it in the trash after the first tail motor quit on me, and went shoping for a 'good' heli. But where is the fun in that. I did research, asked, learned, modded, and made it better. All along this process i shared my experience right here on rcgroups. I made friends from all over the world because of it. That is worth way more than any mikado or gaui heli. This is the part your missing. Some guys get more out of this hobby than a heafty price tag. Makeing the 'unworthy' worthy. The joy and pride of saying, "i made it good" rather than "i got what i paid for". There is more to celebrate when your efforts make a change for the better. Not just buying something better... If you dont want to be part of makeing things better for others who share here, so be it. I'll miss your 'walkera hater' comments. But someone else will come along, and i'll put them in there place as well. You might find more like yourself on the helifreak site.

Ok, im done rambaling now.

Good day to you, and good night.

Amen to that!!

Not quite sure what's been up with all the walkera bashing lately, we all know they are the super low end helicopters. Like you though, I would not have been able to jump straight to the better stuff. Even though I had the money, i wasn't sure I'd stick to the hobby and didn't want to drop a grand off the bat. I had to prove to myself (and lets face it, prove to my wife... ) that I was going to stick with the hobby and it wouldn't just sit collecting dust. For less than 200 bucks i could do that, but if it was any more, i would have never gotten into helicopters in the first place. I also knew ahead of time that there were plenty of issues with it, but it was something i was willing to deal with. And my newest addition, the minicp, is solid.

It does suck to hear about all the 2702 issues though, i've had one that has gone through hundreds of flights, tons of crashes (mechanical or pilot error) and is on it's second 450 clone frame and bl motor because I just simply wore out the first frame (bearings, stripped screws from too many repairs, etc, etc), and the 2702 hasn't failed me yet. It flies stable enough for me, and the way i have it set up, it's my preferred heli to strap a camera on. I feel like I can go much higher without losing orientation than my same size 3gx, though my 3gx holds piros, etc better, and i have it set up more for stunts.

Everybody has different experiences but i'm happy I was able to find a heli to help me learn to fly and modify (tons of fun, and i learned a bunch modifying) and I'm very glad I found this forum because the people on here are great!

Just figured i'd throw in my 2c

Cheers!
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 09:50 AM
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Hi dilberto, good to hear from you again. My first heli was the V400D02 with the 2603Tx, all for $150 from xheli. When other bills need paying, there's no way I could justify spending more on a heli as a brand newbie, knowing that a fatal crash was most likely. So, looking back, I am glad that someone was offering collective pitch helis for a bargain. As my skills in the air and on the bench have improved, I have moved more toward the 450 Pro platform, and more and more Align parts are going on my helis.

Oh, and it's kind of funny, when I was flying Walkera, everyone said get an Align. Now that I'm buying Align, all I hear about is Gaui. I cannot win, so I just do what is best for me--I just want to fly.
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 11:18 AM
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Kevin,

You need to stop with this Walkera love, you really do.

I own a V400d02 that's all pimped up, but, it's still CRAP.

Forget clones, forget Align (they make vacuum cleaners FFS), forget Walkera... Let's stick to who knows the best; Gaui & Mikado.
..wow......That just blew me away. You do realize that gaui & Mikado would love to to be even 50% of what align is in the heli hobby market. No need to be a heli snob in forums. Ppl will take you very lightly on topics.
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 11:45 AM
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Well I have Walkera's worst products. I have a V370D01 that you CANNOT get to fly right. If the gyro is set enough, it will resist your control inputs and then accept them suddenly, standing the heli on it's nose, and if you reduce the gain, it simply won't stay in one direction even with constant correction. After the last crash, I pulled the batteries out of the TX and retired it to it's box. I also got a perfect uses Madhawk 300 with a scale fuse since I always wanted one of those, and it has the control authority of a Syma S107. I know there are good Walkera products, but I am done with them.
I thought this was a thread about having Walkera's RX/TX and using them on other things..Not a bashing Walkeras thread..You must be on the wrong thread. I'm not interested in how much you don't like them. That's not why this is here.
I have had my Walkera CB180Q which is the same as the madhawk300 for 3 years now. I learned how to fly with that thing and had many crashes with it which didnt cost me hardly anything to fix and not one time was it due to failure to the helicopter. I really don't understand what you were thinking you were getting when the intention of this helicopter being nothing but a trainer to fly as stable as a co-ax,but with alot less parts and more upgrades. Yes it does fly kinda like a co-ax,but has been alot more responsive to stick commands than a co-ax. I think you didnt have it set up right. So what did you expect. It to fly like a cp? Next time just stick to high priced machines as to keep your tolrance down. Tell me if this flys like a co-ax.
Here is my proof that you are very wrong about the Madhawk300/CB180q.
WALKERA CB180Q OUTSIDE (2 min 49 sec)

Walkera cb180Q on a trampoline (2 min 39 sec)
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 12:32 PM
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Hi dilberto, good to hear from you again. My first heli was the V400D02 with the 2603Tx, all for $150 from xheli. When other bills need paying, there's no way I could justify spending more on a heli as a brand newbie, knowing that a fatal crash was most likely. So, looking back, I am glad that someone was offering collective pitch helis for a bargain. As my skills in the air and on the bench have improved, I have moved more toward the 450 Pro platform, and more and more Align parts are going on my helis.

Oh, and it's kind of funny, when I was flying Walkera, everyone said get an Align. Now that I'm buying Align, all I hear about is Gaui. I cannot win, so I just do what is best for me--I just want to fly.
hey Nav, yep, as long as you're having fun that's all that matters

I've been keeping up on the forum more or less, but i fall behind and have to catch up sometimes. I still haven't received my helis or my other stuff that i shipped over (3 months now...) so I just have my minicp that i fly sometimes and don't have much to write about here. Also instead of sitting behind my computer at work reading the forums, i'm taking a language class every day so i don't get in my full share of internet surfing like i use to Once i get my helis and get them up and flying i'll snap a few more videos, it's been a while.

The mini cp is fun though and keeps the cobwebs off my fingers. The gyros aren't quite as stable as some of my bigger helis, but it's fun to flip and it has seen at least 30 crashes since i've been here and i think all i've replaced is my tail boom one time.
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 06:03 PM
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My Y6 with 2801 pro rx with 2801 pro Tx

Y6 + KK2-1.2V * MAIDEN FLIGHT***SUPER STABLE***ALL Default settings (5 min 23 sec)



Kdean BIG THANKS for making this thread. WALK-ERA AND BEYOND !!!!

....just wanna share a short video of my Y6 with the 2801 PRO RX with the 2801 PRO TX.
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 06:47 PM
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Glad to see you here coco, now that you've gone 'quad crazy' on us.
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 07:03 PM
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I thought this was a thread about having Walkera's RX/TX and using them on other things..Not a bashing Walkeras thread..You must be on the wrong thread. I'm not interested in how much you don't like them. That's not why this is here.
I have had my Walkera CB180Q which is the same as the madhawk300 for 3 years now. I learned how to fly with that thing and had many crashes with it which didnt cost me hardly anything to fix and not one time was it due to failure to the helicopter. I really don't understand what you were thinking you were getting when the intention of this helicopter being nothing but a trainer to fly as stable as a co-ax,but with alot less parts and more upgrades. Yes it does fly kinda like a co-ax,but has been alot more responsive to stick commands than a co-ax. I think you didnt have it set up right. So what did you expect. It to fly like a cp? Next time just stick to high priced machines as to keep your tolrance down. Tell me if this flys like a co-ax.
Here is my proof that you are very wrong about the Madhawk300/CB180q.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOa0zcETowM&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-LXWFvKpFw&feature=plcp
Loved the last vid, benny hill tune and some very controlled flying in a tight space! made me giggle, and impressed with your heli control in both vids, well done!
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Old Oct 28, 2012, 07:29 PM
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The thread title suggests it's about Walkera, and what we have owned and own. I wan't bashing Walkera, I know they have some good models, just mine are bad. I also have a couple Esky, one I love and one that was faulty out of the box and still doesn't fly. My Madhawk, flies nothing like that. That is very nice and that is what I expected. If you pass gas while hovering mine, it will blow it away. I need to tear it down and see what's going on. The 370 is a lost cause I'm afraid, just bad electronics or mine is bad, at least.
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