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Old Oct 25, 2012, 09:52 AM
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Old Oct 25, 2012, 09:52 AM
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Old Oct 25, 2012, 10:12 AM
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I was worried that this was going to be a lead sled compared to the original, but based on the video he whole thing is proportionally smaller which is great!
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Old Oct 25, 2012, 10:22 AM
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It's cute and I'll probably get one but I agree it doesn't appear to fly any slower than a standard Vapor ... which I can fly happily in my lounge:

Parkzone Vapor in the lounge.wmv (3 min 15 sec)
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Old Oct 25, 2012, 11:19 AM
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+1, bill!

The short wings and big tail doesn't look too good either. Looks like its wobbly and would get stuck in a high alpha turn and would take a lot of rudder and throttle to coax it out.
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Old Oct 25, 2012, 11:40 AM
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Anyone notice the batteruy size on this:

1S 30mAh 25C Li-Po battery

I didn't know they came that small
Yes. Fullriver has been making 20 & 30 mAh 20c cells for awhile now. Those who fly the really small stuff have been using them for a number of years. Plantraco/Mircroflight has an entire line of micro (nano?) 2-channel RTF RC planes that use the 20 mAh cell, including a selection of 1:72 & 1:48-scale warbirds. AUW ranges from 2.7-4 grams, and thrust-to-weight ranges from 0.7:1-0.9:1. Cruise speeds range from 2.5-5 MPH, and they fly for 5-10 minutes on a charge.

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Old Oct 25, 2012, 11:42 AM
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Yes. Fullriver has been making 20 & 30 mAh 20c cells for awhile now. Those who fly the really small stuff have been using them for a number of years. Plantraco/Mircroflight has an entire line of micro (nano?) 2-channel RTF RC planes that use the 20 mAh cell, including a selection of 1:72 & 1:48-scale warbirds. AUW ranges from 2.7-4 grams, and thrust-to-weight ranges from 0.7:1-0.9:1. Cruise speeds range from 2.5-5 MPH, and they fly for 5-10 minutes on a charge.

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They are (mostly) incredibly expensive yet still worth it as seeing something that small perform as well as it does is awesome!
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Old Oct 25, 2012, 11:44 AM
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Old Oct 25, 2012, 11:56 AM
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Yup, thats nothing, but here (in Sweden) it would be like 1200 SEK, or 180 US$...
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Dry your eyes 8m and order from eg. Rcpitstop.co.uk (usually early with new stuff with a keen pricing) but somewhat hefty shipping.

Or Lindinger/ der Schweighofer, these are Austrians shops shipping for free over 90 within the EU, usually at list prices.

www.hobbydirekt.de has lower prices usually, but charges 10

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It's cute and I'll probably get one but I agree it doesn't appear to fly any slower than a standard Vapor ... which I can fly happily in my lounge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZfL8kEYyxQ
Well, the Mini sure makes the Night/ Original look obese... But I'm not convinced yet. All versions more like fly in high alpha, but at he Night can be taken outside in the evening in dead calm conditions. I might pick one up if the owners really do confirm better maneuverability indoors.

Btw, the batteries cannot be charged with my normal charger, at .1A it's 3.3C!!!

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Old Oct 25, 2012, 12:33 PM
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Well, the Mini sure makes the Night/ Original look obese... But I'm not convinced yet. All versions more like fly in high alpha, but at he Night can be taken outside in the evening in dead calm conditions. I might pick one up if the owners really do confirm better maneuverability indoors.

Btw, the batteries cannot be charged with my normal charger, at .1A it's 3.3C!!!

A Four Play charger with multiple charging rates for single cell batteries will talke care of it. It has charge rates all the way down to a 1C for a10mAh cell, and the plugs for the PZ cells plug right in. Best charging investment I've ever made (charges four at a time). I charged the cells for my daughter's Ares Nano Stik, which are also 30mAh and have the PZ form factor and plug on this charger.

The wing span does look on the small side. However, that can be changed. Either fabricate a CF wing with more span, or put a second wing on and make it a bipe. The 2um clear covering that Westechnik used to sell (now from Homefly.com) is substantially lighter than what Vapors are covered with. So, it should be possible to increase the wing area and keep weight almost the same to make it fly slower, and less need for high alpha.

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Btw, the batteries cannot be charged with my normal charger, at .1A it's 3.3C!!!

Buy one of those parallel charging cable and plug 4 or 5 batteries in parallel while charging! Problem solved!
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A Four Play charger with multiple charging rates for single cell batteries will talke care of it. It has charge rates all the way down to a 1C for a10mAh cell, and the plugs for the PZ cells plug right in. Best charging investment I've ever made (charges four at a time). I charged the cells for my daughter's Ares Nano Stik, which are also 30mAh and have the PZ form factor and plug on this charger.
Maybe I should add that even the BNF comes with a charger. Not to mention that most people have the house littered with standard chargers. It takes 30sec remove the bottom of the charger and turn down the pot to a desirable current level.
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Old Oct 25, 2012, 01:13 PM
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It takes 30sec remove the bottom of the charger and turn down the pot to a desirable current level.
Yup my 4-outlet charger (I forget which model it came with ) has all the pots turned down to minimum rate.
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Old Oct 25, 2012, 02:31 PM
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on the video it looks fast for the size (as fast as the bigger brother as someone said)
it also is always nose up and they don't video a lot of flying

guess i'll wait 'n see after we have more videos or tests. isn't really convenient imo in small indoors areas if its a "flying prop" (well, not more or less convenient than the bigger vapor that is)
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Old Oct 25, 2012, 02:34 PM
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The potential advantage over the standard Vapor is that it could be even more 'bounceable' due to the lower weight. We'll have to see.
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