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Old Jan 05, 2013, 10:57 PM
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Sure, on a large plane. At a micro scale its invaluable to fly smooth and unlock the enjoyment of a micro that flies like a large scale.
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Old Jan 05, 2013, 11:09 PM
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I raised my rudder a bit, and did a dual rate setup with the elevator.. I like it!

I am convinced the big prop is what is preventing the looping. It's a big gyro up front. Going to try to shave a stock prop a bit and see what happens.. Might as well experiment while waiting for those CF props to arrive
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Old Jan 05, 2013, 11:11 PM
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Lets just take the pilot out of the hobby. Might as well watch youtube videos with a tx on your hands pretending to fly......
AS3X won't fly it for you... at all. It does help flying a micro in the wind though. Not sure it would even hardly be noticed in an indoor situation. It won't over-ride control input but it reacts to pitch, roll and yaw after the fact. Works well on my Carbon Cub. Might be useful if the furnace fan kicks on though
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Old Jan 05, 2013, 11:24 PM
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I have flown several. They fly pretty good but at over a mile a.s.l. it is a bit underpowered with a small selection of props to fix it. They are fun though.
Oh I live in Colorado too. I still think it's fine - but you do need to use a good battery on it.
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Old Jan 05, 2013, 11:56 PM
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AS3X won't fly it for you... at all. It does help flying a micro in the wind though. Not sure it would even hardly be noticed in an indoor situation. It won't over-ride control input but it reacts to pitch, roll and yaw after the fact. Works well on my Carbon Cub. Might be useful if the furnace fan kicks on though
Flying a Carbon Cub and a micro 3d bird is very different. I have flown several as3x planes including the carbon cub and I can tell you that it will take away from flying 3d. This is my point. The as3x has its place for sure but not on any true 3d plane unless you want to take away the skill needed for true 3d.
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Old Jan 05, 2013, 11:57 PM
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I raised my rudder a bit, and did a dual rate setup with the elevator.. I like it!

I am convinced the big prop is what is preventing the looping. It's a big gyro up front. Going to try to shave a stock prop a bit and see what happens.. Might as well experiment while waiting for those CF props to arrive
Try the micro citabria prop. More pitch and less diameter. For me, it is the best I have tried.
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Old Jan 05, 2013, 11:59 PM
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So I was having too much fun with my MV (just got more batts.........) and guess what - one of the landing gear broke off ()! And right at the triangle thing/base too.....so tomorrow I will try and fix it with a small piece (about 3/4" length) of carbon fiber so it wont cost much in weight. This thing is just so fun!

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Old Jan 06, 2013, 12:03 AM
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So I was having too much fun with my MV (just got more batts.........) and guess what - one of the landing gear broke off ()! And right at the triangle thing/base too.....so tomorrow I will try and fix it with a small piece (about 3/4" length) of carbon fiber so it wont cost much in weight. This thing is just so fun!

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I did the same thing yesterday. I dabbed a little but of thick CA with some kicker and has held through some pretty nasty spills.
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Old Jan 06, 2013, 01:53 AM
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Bumped up the throws more. I have 45 degrees up, down, right and left

Mini Vapor Bro throws (1 min 2 sec)
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Old Jan 06, 2013, 02:10 AM
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Bumped up the throws more. I have 45 degrees up, down, right and left

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3fYk...ature=youtu.be
Haha thats awesome!
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Old Jan 06, 2013, 06:30 AM
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Bumped up the throws more. I have 45 degrees up, down, right and left

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3fYk...ature=youtu.be
Nice work! You are awesome with that thing!
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Old Jan 06, 2013, 07:03 AM
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Lets just take the pilot out of the hobby.
well, they are not in the business of challenging us, they are in the business of dumbing it down as much as possible so they can get as many units off the shelf as possible. They want your grandmother to be successful out of the box. If they can pry money away by making incompetent people look good, they will. The couple of skilled people they offend is far outweighed by the unwashed masses

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Might as well watch youtube videos with a tx on your hands pretending to fly......
Do you mean Wii and Nintendo or RealFlight? That market is already full
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Old Jan 06, 2013, 09:17 AM
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AS3X is not an autopilot. It doesn't fly the plane at all. It simply dampens airframe movements not commanded by the pilot. It makes small planes behave more like their large & full-scale counterparts, and allows them to fly in wind & turbulence that would ground planes that are many times larger.

Reminds me of the old farts who claimed propo was cheating back in the early 60s. Next, it was kits, then FM, then ARFs, then dual-rates, then expo, then computer radios, then 2.4 GHz, and then foamies. At one time or another, the old farts & curmudgeons claimed that each of the above was going to be the death of the hobby. In every case, the opposite was true. I suppose we should all go back to driving 50-year-old cars, since things like power brakes, crumple zones, modern suspensions, and engines that don't require constant attention just dumb things down for the masses. Might as well remove the tens of thousands of stability-augmentation systems from full-scale planes too. After all, they're just crutches that dumb everything down for new pilots.

Not that I'd actually want stab/aug on a MV.....

Joel
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Old Jan 06, 2013, 10:01 AM
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AS3X is not an autopilot. It doesn't fly the plane at all. It simply dampens airframe movements not commanded by the pilot. It makes small planes behave more like their large & full-scale counterparts, and allows them to fly in wind & turbulence that would ground planes that are many times larger.

Reminds me of the old farts who claimed propo was cheating back in the early 60s. Next, it was kits, then FM, then ARFs, then dual-rates, then expo, then computer radios, then 2.4 GHz, and then foamies. At one time or another, the old farts & curmudgeons claimed that each of the above was going to be the death of the hobby. In every case, the opposite was true. I suppose we should all go back to driving 50-year-old cars, since things like power brakes, crumple zones, modern suspensions, and engines that don't require constant attention just dumb things down for the masses. Might as well remove the tens of thousands of stability-augmentation systems from full-scale planes too. After all, they're just crutches that dumb everything down for new pilots.

Not that I'd actually want stab/aug on a MV.....

Joel
The as3x system is a 3 axis gyro. It is MUCH different than duel-rates, computer radios and expo. None of these systems have a corrective effect to them. If you put your plane in a hover or knife edge, non of these will move the control surfaces for you. A gyro on the other hand will. I have been flying for about 20 years but I am no curmudgeon still being a few years under 30. I am all for new tech and have stated that I am sure this system has its place, just not on a 3d machine. That is my point my friend. Your reductio ad absurdum analogue with full scale cars and planes is a false analogy. Everything you mentioned is for safety and user friendliness on , in essence, utilitarian products. RC airplanes are far from utilitarian unless you are doing something like areal photography or something. In that case, a gyro would be very helpful.
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Old Jan 06, 2013, 10:03 AM
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Nice work! You are awesome with that thing!
Thanks! It is starting to be a really fun plane. I just wish I had mo powah!!
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