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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:09 AM
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With all the pre debate hype of how great a debater Biden is, Ryan probably won by going toe to toe on all subjects. There were punches thrown by each side, but no one was knocked off their feet. No good one liners, even though Joe tried with that sad Jack Kennedy comment at the mention of his name.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:10 AM
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But im not the one begging people to show me the 'facts'. (as if they exist)
Sigh.... I believe you completely missed the point.
Have a good night all.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:11 AM
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Do you really think lowering taxes for the rich will make them hire more people if there is no demand for product?
Heres a hypothetical, Do you think taxing them to hell will either?
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:12 AM
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Nighty night......
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:14 AM
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Sigh.... I believe you completely missed the point.
Have a good night all.
Of course I am the one missing the point .
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:20 AM
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pssst...
its 2012, things are not getting better. Its arguable they are worse then last year, and the year before that, and the year before that. Thats not exactly a success story. Life has only gotten more expensive in the last 4 yrs..
That is the reality.
I understand your attempt to deflect your original question in the post. Please recall you asked for specifics on the Dem plan. Now when someone has answered your challenge, this is your attempt to discredit it. And the best you can do is come up with this response? Laughable.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:22 AM
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Discredit, and then take the ball and go home.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:26 AM
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Heres a hypothetical, Do you think taxing them to hell will either?
It doesn't really matter. Raise the tax to 80% or lower it to 2%. If no one is buying they aren't selling.

And if they aren't selling they aren't hiring.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:29 AM
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yes, JFK lowered income taxes for all levels. He said something to the effect as "a rising tide lifts all boats", meaning lowering taxes on the wealthy will help the middle and lower class by generating jobs through the capital they can activate in the economy. But then, that was before the democrat party was co-opted by marxists and extreme socialists.
Funny stuff, the top marginal rate was 90% in 1960. It is about 1/3rd of that today. The Fascists want to cut it more.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:30 AM
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I understand your attempt to derail the post. Please recall you asked for specifics on the Dem plan. Now when someone has answered your challenge, this is your response? Laughable.
Ok last post.

No attempt to derail, just posting out the hypocrisy used in this thread, and how easily it could be used as a counter argument. You wanted to show how specifics were left out from Ryans debate while ignoring the lack of by your champion.
Then your defense was a cut n paste from a .gov website.

Honesty is a two way street, not a one way rail road for pun-dent points.

have a great night.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:32 AM
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It doesn't really matter. Raise the tax to 80% or lower it to 2%. If no one is buying they aren't selling.

And if they aren't selling they aren't hiring.
Opps misunderstood your question. I thought you were getting at something completely different.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:32 AM
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Ok last post.

No attempt to derail, just posting out the hypocrisy used in this thread, and how easily it could be used as a counter argument. You wanted to show how specifics were left out from Ryans debate while ignoring the lack of by your champion.
Then your defense was a cut n paste from a .gov website.

Honesty is a two way street, not a one way rail road for pun-dent points.

have a great night.
You asked for specifics of the plan. Those are specifics, even from a .gov website. Have you looked at Romeny's official campaign site? No specifics on the 20% cut.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:40 AM
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Nope, he wants to negotiate that with the dems. Just a bunch of magic beans and pixie dust.
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:42 AM
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Ryan was serious, Biden was just nutty.
This doesn't win you voters Biden....
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 01:43 AM
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here is my take.

Biden : he was a complete jerk. He came off as overbearing and rude as well. Very quick to fire of numbers (the fact checking will be interesting) and seemed confident. He is basically saying that the republicans are in the way and that is the reason things are the way they are.

Ryan: what cahones! he told the vp to stfu essentially. He was weak on forien policy or at least he wasn't able to offer any thing additional his party would do. He had a few speach issues mixing up the first letter if a few words. He came off very refined and polite. he let himself get overrun by Biden AND the moderator. that was quite frustrating as a viewer.


I don't like Romney or Obama and I don't like either of these two. No mention of the constitution at all. they both glaze over the obvious (such as businesses don't pay taxes, their customers do). No one is shooting strait. we aren't pulling out of this dive without everyone feeling the g's. Until everyone is wiling to sacrifice and work together we are staying in the tailspin... so yea I'm pretty pessimistic.
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