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Old Oct 08, 2012, 07:15 AM
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Man-Bat.

Man-Bat.
How about a Man-Bat ?
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Old Oct 09, 2012, 02:52 AM
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VWD-The Power pack.

This unit can do the following functions:
Variable wing flapping frequency.
Individual flap angle movement with active wing twist on each wing.
Individual sweep movement on each wing.
Mechanical support of the wings.
Part of the frame work.
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Old Oct 10, 2012, 11:58 PM
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Man-Bat.
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VWD-The Power pack.

This unit can do the following functions:
Variable wing flapping frequency.
Individual flap angle movement with active wing twist on each wing.
Individual sweep movement on each wing.
Mechanical support of the wings.
Part of the frame work.
Hey Kjell, avid reader of the flapping wings forum and the ornithopter forum here, I've followed a lot of your threads and frankly don't see too many people nowadays talking about manned ornithopter flight which is surprising especially after Jarnos whole show. As most people are probably aware that are into the orni scene, Jarno used your wiggle drive as a basis for his theoretical design. I remember you pointing out that his differed over yours in a certain way while it also appears that you feel the wiggle drive needs to be much larger in order to be effective. What is your opinion on the backpack styled setup? Many seem to think that it's not viable because of size limitations in regards to power output. Also I remember you stating that after performing tests on the viability of membrane vs. feather wings that membrane were superior in efficiency to which I'm assuming you stuck with for this design.
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Old Oct 11, 2012, 02:09 AM
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Hi Socalfusions.
I can see that you are well informed about my activity. I think the Jarno´s story made many people to thing it is not posible to make a manned ornithopter. I don’t think so.Using the right material and the VWD wing drive, it is possible. Jarno used one motor for each wing and controlled the wing movement by flapping his arms. In my Man-Bat, I am using one motor moving the wings. The controll of the VWD can alter the flapping angle individual on each wing. The controll system has to be operated by the pilot and an auto controll have to be incorporated. The membrane wings are the best solution.
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Old Oct 11, 2012, 04:19 PM
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Hi Socalfusions.
I can see that you are well informed about my activity. I think the Jarno´s story made many people to thing it is not posible to make a manned ornithopter. I don’t think so.Using the right material and the VWD wing drive, it is possible. Jarno used one motor for each wing and controlled the wing movement by flapping his arms. In my Man-Bat, I am using one motor moving the wings. The controll of the VWD can alter the flapping angle individual on each wing. The controll system has to be operated by the pilot and an auto controll have to be incorporated. The membrane wings are the best solution.
Good point, after showing his elaborate design wasn't capable of flight I'm sure that made many people believe that it was even less possible but like you I also feel it can be done. The VWD seems to have a lot of advantages over crank drives and with the variable aspect, seems to be a viable choice. The arm flapping operation seems to complicate things further and I feel your design is much simpler. Seeing as how all rc ornithopters operate by membrane wing it also appears to be the logical selection.
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Old Oct 13, 2012, 03:55 AM
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Here is the differences between Jarno`s and My Wiggle -Drive
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 11:09 AM
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[QUOTE=Socalfusions;22969291......and frankly don't see too many people nowadays talking about manned ornithopter flight ..........[/QUOTE]

I'm still talking about manned ornithopter flight

Cheers,
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Old Oct 24, 2012, 01:22 AM
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I'm still talking about manned ornithopter flight

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Patricia.
Have you done something more on your Project?
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Patricia.
Have you done something more on your Project?
Hi Kjell,
Yes, I've been working on the flapping mechanism and the
engine speed reduction unit. The frame is finished and
the sprocket hubs are almost finished - will soon be mounting
the chain - hope it all works !
The fuselage took much longer than I thought it would but
everything always does !
I'm using graphlite microcarbon rods in the wing spars - has
anyone else used them ?
Cheers,
Patricia
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Old Nov 24, 2012, 12:50 AM
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I have been using this material in my WING-DRIVE Wings. In combination with thin Carbon fiber sheets they are light and strong. I like to see any pictures from your project.
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Old Apr 18, 2013, 06:03 AM
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You have not had experience with manned ornithopters Kjell and
do not know how they should be designed, built and tested.
Patricia

I wonder how many has experience with manned ornithopters. I have very clear how to make one manned ornithopters.
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Old Apr 18, 2013, 06:21 AM
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You have not had experience with manned ornithopters Kjell and
do not know how they should be designed, built and tested.
Patricia

I wonder how many has experience with manned ornithopters. I have very clear how to make one manned ornithopters.
Why have you changed to this thread Kjell ?
The wing sail was not invented by you.
I will reply in the flapping mechanisms thread since that was
what we were talking about originally.
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Old Apr 18, 2013, 06:42 AM
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I changed to this thread to talk about a manned flight,

The other thread is to discus flapping mechanisms




I know exactly how not to make a manned ornithopter.
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I changed to this thread to talk about a manned flight,

The other thread is to discus flapping mechanisms




I know exactly how not to make a manned ornithopter.
I will start a manned orni thread
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