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Old Oct 05, 2012, 10:48 PM
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That is not in a liberals definition of freedom.

Real freedoms come with out having to threaten a single innocent person. The lefts freedoms couldn't exist without threatening innocent people.

Moral inversion once again
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Old Oct 05, 2012, 10:48 PM
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When I was in high school... maybe 2 girls got pregnant out of a several hunderd. Parents were responsible, then. So were teens. There were consequences for irresponsible actions. And yes, it was uphill, in the snow, barefoot, both ways...

Perfect world, my absolute arse...
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Old Oct 05, 2012, 10:49 PM
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Their definition of freedom is freedom from consequenses for their own actions. Freedom and free are distinctly different words...
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Old Oct 05, 2012, 11:07 PM
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As a rational ex business man I know a good deal when I see one. The implant should be free to all women. It is free to the taxpayers, as the return on investment is the best deal ever. Teen age single welfare moms, no dad at home, bad news kids filling the jails No Abortions to mess up ones mind.. On and on and on. All these problems solved,gone.

There are some really dense heads here if they can't see the benefit of certain free things like polio and small pox vaccines. .
This would save the tax payers enough to pay of the national dept. in 10-15 years.
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Old Oct 05, 2012, 11:09 PM
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As a rational ex business man I know a good deal when I see one. The implant should be free to all women. It is free to the taxpayers, as the return on investment is the best deal ever. Teen age single welfare moms, no dad at home, bad news kids filling the jails No Abortions to mess up ones mind.. On and on and on. All these problems solved,gone.

There are some really dense heads here if they can't see the benefit of certain free things like polio and small pox vaccines. .
This would save the tax payers enough to pay of the national dept. in 10-15 years.
Possibly if all teens were required to get them... There's so much "free" contraception stuff out there now that it's ridiculous... but again, no consequences for the individual for not using them.
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Old Oct 05, 2012, 11:10 PM
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That is not in a liberals definition of freedom.

Real freedoms come with out having to threaten a single innocent person. The lefts freedoms couldn't exist without threatening innocent people.

Moral inversion once again
By your definition there is no such thing as real freedom.
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Old Oct 05, 2012, 11:42 PM
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So .... The birth controll pills were free? I'm assuming the components to making the pills were free and the people opperating the machines that package the pills worked for free and the truck drivers that delivered the pills also did it for free .... Wow .... That's pretty amazing.
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Old Oct 05, 2012, 11:48 PM
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By your definition there is no such thing as real freedom.
Of course there is. Real freedom is achievable without threatening innocent people.

The left's version cannot exist without doing so.

Here's where you justify doing it, instead of questioning the moral basis which says it's OK.
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Old Oct 06, 2012, 12:01 AM
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Of course there is. Real freedom is achievable without threatening innocent people.

The left's version cannot exist without doing so.

Here's where you justify doing it, instead of questioning the moral basis which says it's OK.
Example of a freedom that didn't impact innocents ?
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Old Oct 06, 2012, 12:05 AM
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Example of a freedom that didn't impact innocents ?
I didn't say freedoms didn't impact innocents. Everyone effects everyone else, and should own the right to as well. So long as no negative rights are violated.

What the left's liberties rest upon is threatening people who have not stolen from, committed physical aggression against, or defrauded anyone else, into doing things they do not want to do, or not doing things they do want to to. The ability to act on their own judgement in service of their peaceful ends is hijacked, they are turned into hypocrites by law, and their actions turned to the service of someone *elses* goals.
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Personal responsibility!!! If you cant afford to play keep the panties on.
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Old Oct 06, 2012, 12:07 AM
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I didn't say freedoms didn't impact innocents. Everyone effects everyone else, and should own the right to as well. So long as no negative rights are violated.
Yes you did

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Real freedoms come with out having to threaten a single innocent person. The lefts freedoms couldn't exist without threatening innocent people.
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Old Oct 06, 2012, 12:12 AM
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Yes you did
Odd, I don't see the word impact. I chose the words I used carefully, and the difference is not trivial.

I said threaten, for a reason. That is what occurs.
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Old Oct 06, 2012, 12:16 AM
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Example of a freedom that didn't threaten an innocent?
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Old Oct 06, 2012, 12:20 AM
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Example of a freedom that didn't threaten an innocent?
Freedom from theft. Freedom from fraud. Freedom from physical assault. The Freedom to pass 100% of your resources to your heirs.Freedom to purchase healthcare at a free market price agreed upon by patient and doctor. Freedom to sell, or purchase, a standard light bulb of any wattage desired. There are an infinite number more where that came from.
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