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Old Sep 26, 2012, 07:26 PM
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Yeah right, such as the priceless minbar of Saladin being destroyed.
we don't control the entrance of tourists to the mosque, the waqf does so blame them.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 07:29 PM
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Ouch!
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 07:38 PM
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So, what does the Koran say about unwed mothers, who form a large contingent of the Dems voting block? How about gay marriage and gays in general? What about abortion?

I'm fascinated by what the folks they're defending think of these central planks of the Dem party.
Don't know where you are going with this but I do know that before the 4th month abortion is permitted under Islam.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 07:41 PM
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Well I'd rather hear that from the followers mouth, but OK. There's one check box checked OK for Dems compliance with Shariah.

Now, unwed mothers, premarital sex, and gays.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 07:55 PM
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Now, unwed mothers, premarital sex, and gays.
unwed mothers is just fine as long as you're the guy.

premarital sex? just fine as long as you're the guy.

gays? just fine as long as you're the guy?

oh, and bestiality...just fine as long as you're not the donkey...
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 08:05 PM
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All that would do is let Israel act with impunity like it did before Palestinians had rockets.
Interesting to see an RCGroups member specifically supporting the firing of missiles at Israeli civilians.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 08:15 PM
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Interesting why they're not letting Sharon die! Apparently a dying Rabbi Kaduri has prophesied that Jesus would return as Messiah only after Sharon dies!
Such a brilliant statement highlights your deep knowledge of Jewish law.

(If you looked past your propaganda and your hatred of Jews, you might find the similarity between Muslims and Jews astonishing; Sharon is allowed to die; he's not allowed to be terminated.)
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 08:56 PM
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So anyway....why aren't 'palestinians' demanding their 'old' borders in Jordan?
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Old Sep 27, 2012, 06:32 AM
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Odd, if it's not just about Jews why arent they upset about Jordan? I don't see Palestine written on the map there, in spite of it containing the vast majority of "palestinian" land and most former "Palestinians". I just double checked and it says J O R D A N on the map there, not P A L E S T I N E.

So let's see. In one direction is far more "Palestinian" land and far more "Palestinians". In the other direction a small fraction of "their" land and a small fraction of "palestinians", and of course, Jews.

Which do they fight the hardest for while virtually ignoring the other? The one with Jews, of course.

It's about neither land nor people. If it was, they'd be after Jordan.

It's about Jews.

The UN is the perfect place for their complaints. The august luminaries on the human rights council are sure to agree.
The only reason so many Palestinians live in Jordan is because Israel expelled their ancestors from Palestine. The indigenous population of Jordan are called Jordanians. Let's suppose Jordanians did want Jordan to be called Palestine under a new government, and were successful in doing so. What then? Should Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza then have the right to expel Jordanians from their land and homes? Turning Jordan into a country called Palestine would do nothing to solve the problems of the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, which is what the problem is all about.

As it is, Jordanians seem to be happy enough being Jordanians, ruled by the Hashemite regime. Whereas Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not happy being ruled by Israeli military rule, for obvious reasons. And no, it's not because most Israelis are Jews.

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Old Sep 27, 2012, 06:33 AM
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It acts with impunity anyway. Palestinian rockets do nothing but further justify Israels position and actions.
You can't FURTHER justify something until you INITIALLY justfy it!

Small point
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Old Sep 27, 2012, 06:33 AM
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So anyway....why aren't 'palestinians' demanding their 'old' borders in Jordan?
Because those borders are not theirs. Those borders belong to Jordanians.

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Old Sep 28, 2012, 01:05 AM
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I was speaking of the 'palestinians' when they got it back.

Did they take it as a sign of goodwill and the desire for coexistence?

Nope, they destroyed what was left, used Israels decision to retreat from it as evidence in support of Israel's weakness and the correctness of their horrific methods, and used it as a now closer forward base for more rocket attacks.
what goodwill could there have been in a few token greenhouses, whereas they destroyed everything else such as housing they had occupied, when they left? And what about the continued harassment with sonic booms late at night, the destruction of infrastructure, lobbing shells from the sea, the siege, restricting of Palestinian exports such as olive oil and strawberries, not allowing fishing or the delivery of much needed supplies, piracy in the high seas in fact, making Gaza into the largest prison in the world, etc..
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Old Sep 28, 2012, 02:06 AM
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I know that this is going to be hard to take and to understand but it seems to me that Palestine has a lot to benefit from partnering with Israel.

Palestine is already partnered with Israel but no one wants to admit it. One of the things that Palestine complains about is when Israel shuts down the border between the two nations because so many Palestinians relay on working in Israel. What? That doesn't sound like enemies, that sounds like partners to me.

What is Jordan and Lebanon really offering to Palestine anyway? Lebanon funded the Palestinian attack on Israel but when the going got tough they abandoned them. Jordan talks a good game but they haven't offered Palestine anything tangible. They haven't provided Palestine jobs or seats in their parliament like Israel has done for them.

The Middle East is in a precarious position where the Arab Spring hasn't really resolved anything and oil production is now shifting to China. Given the options of partnering with Jordan, Lebanon or Israel you have to take a serious look at the success of Israel and the fact that they are the one Middle Eastern country not dependent on oil.
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Old Sep 28, 2012, 02:55 AM
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I know that this is going to be hard to take and to understand but it seems to me that Palestine has a lot to benefit from partnering with Israel.

Palestine is already partnered with Israel but no one wants to admit it. One of the things that Palestine complains about is when Israel shuts down the border between the two nations because so many Palestinians relay on working in Israel. What? That doesn't sound like enemies, that sounds like partners to me.
In this sense, they are partners the same way as blacks and whites were partners in apartheid South Africa. In each case, settlers colonised the land, then allowed the indigenous population to work on it in low paid jobs. Except that with Israel colonising the land is an ongoing process, and the whites in South Africa didn't keep the blacks under military rule.

That doesn't sound like partners to me.

Some individual parts of the West Bank have a reasonably vibrant economy, but Israeli restrictions prevent it from spreading.

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What is Jordan and Lebanon really offering to Palestine anyway?
Equality, and mutual respect. For the Palestinians to be able to trade with neighbouring countries though, Israel would have to allow them to do so.

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Lebanon funded the Palestinian attack on Israel but when the going got tough they abandoned them. Jordan talks a good game but they haven't offered Palestine anything tangible. They haven't provided Palestine jobs or seats in their parliament like Israel has done for them.
You are confusing Palestinian citizens of Israel, with Palestinians living in the Palestinian territories. Palestinians living in the Palestinian territories have no more representation in the Israeli government than Afghans have in the US government, and both live under military rule of a foreign occupier.

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The Middle East is in a precarious position where the Arab Spring hasn't really resolved anything and oil production is now shifting to China. Given the options of partnering with Jordan, Lebanon or Israel you have to take a serious look at the success of Israel and the fact that they are the one Middle Eastern country not dependent on oil.
The Arab Spring has resulted in Arabs having more freedom than they had before.

Oil production is shifting to China?

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Old Sep 28, 2012, 07:53 AM
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Interesting to see an RCGroups member specifically supporting the firing of missiles at Israeli civilians.
All Israel had to do to prevent the firing of missiles at its civilians was to maintain the ceasefire that the Hamas had rigorously established.

But no, Israel did not want to. They had lost too much credibility in Hamas' ceasefire holding. And there's plenty of evidence that it is Israel that broke the ceasefire.
In truth it is the bully, Israel, that broke the ceasefire to try and get some credibility back after the victim had had the gumption to stand up to the bully, and even establish its own ceasefire after disproportionate force had been used by the bully. I say May the victim of the bully always win over the bully!
CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First (3 min 36 sec)



Even Israeli sources are forced to admit that Hamas DID keep the ceasefire!

Who Broke The Cease Fire - Hamas or Israel 2008 (1 min 25 sec)


Hamas maintained cease-fire June - November 2008 (2 min 29 sec)


Hamas only responds with missiles to Israeli intransigence and massive disproportionate attack and pretense that Israel were responding to Hamas' attacks. You cannot blame Hamas responding to being attacked for no reason but for Israel to get back some prestige lost by the bully from being stood up to by the victim.

No more impunity.

Even God is against those breaking His Law of eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth!
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