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Old Nov 05, 2012, 06:25 AM
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That was my biggest concern for the F3P-AP 1/4 rolls on tap hats are challenging in the lower ceiling halls let alone half rolls
1/4 rolls from top hats are no problem. The turnaround manoevre "1/2 square loop with 1/2 roll on the downline" is more challenging. 1/2 roll after a stall turn however is really pushing the envelope, as the model has to pick up airspeed before you regain control.

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Old Nov 05, 2012, 08:15 AM
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I agree Jurgen. The 1/2 roll from half square loop is challenging with pilots almost integrating the 1/2 roll on the downline.
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 12:32 PM
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Isn't there a mistake in figure 8 of F3P-AF? If you do 3 half rolls in this figure you should finish everything in the same attitude (upright or inverted).
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 12:37 PM
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Nice to see you find them not too easy. They have to be challenging and not boring.
But don't worry, all manoeuvres are OK in a small hall, if you build the right plane, and you have time for that because official changes are not before 2014.
1/2 roll after a stall turn is already done in actual F program.
1/4 roll after edge top hat was already done in 2010 & 2011 F program.
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 02:13 PM
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1/2 roll after a stall turn is already done in actual F program.
Correct, but I have yet to see this maneuver flown in a standard gym with a ceiling of just 6.5 to 6.8m. Next weekend will be the "proof of the pudding".

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Old Nov 05, 2012, 02:26 PM
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Correct, but I have yet to see this maneuver flown in a standard gym with a ceiling of just 6.5 to 6.8m. Next weekend will be the "proof of the pudding".

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I'm certain I know a man who will show us the video proof of it being done Jurgen
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 03:03 PM
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Attached the AP and AF we will send as proposal for 2014 and 2015.
I would look forward to see the text descrion for the programmes shown. In AP 6 could be interpreted imho in various ways, in AF 8 and 10.

My interpretation of these figures:
AP 6: in on back, turn with half roll coloch and half roll counter clockwise rising, half roll clockwise on falling part, out on belly

AF 8: in on belly, 90° hor. crossing, vertical with half roll clockwise, 45° downwardleg with half roll counterclockwise, out on back

AF10: I guess the red dashed line is drawn something odd.
My best guess is, it is a humpty: in on belly, upward leg with 2/8th 2/8th clockwise roll (1/8th short roll stop, repeated once) (1/8th short roll stop, repeated once) and2/8th clockwise roll (1/8th short roll stop, repeated once) roll (1/8th short roll stop, repeated once) over the top on the back (that's where the red dashed line is probably drawn in the wrong direction) downward and out on back (in my understanding of arresti that part should have bben drawn red dashed line too)

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Old Mar 15, 2013, 02:04 AM
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AF10 is the notation for a tail slide.
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Old Jun 16, 2013, 06:16 PM
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Resurrecting an old thread.

Info is slow to come out of the FAI - were there any new sequences approved for 2014/2015 at the CIAM?

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Old Jun 17, 2013, 02:23 AM
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Resurrecting an old thread.

Info is slow to come out of the FAI - were there any new sequences approved for 2014/2015 at the CIAM?
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Hi Pat,

according to the info I have, the French Proposals have been approved (with only minor changes):

http://www.francef3p.fr/index.php?op...3Anews&lang=fr

http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/forums/...-lausanne.html

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Thanks Jurgen.

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Old Sep 05, 2013, 09:27 AM
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Test SCHEDULE AF-15 (2014-2015)
Test SCHEDULE AF-15 (2014-2015) (3 min 19 sec)
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Old Sep 30, 2013, 08:57 AM
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Hello F3P people,

I started the indoor season with my friends yesterday and we took the first touch to the new sequences. I would like to have clarification concerning a couple of maneuver descriptions as there are contradictions in the ciam documents.

AP-15.02 name is "Knife edge trombone" and the french proposal video shows that the top half circle is flown in knife edge by using rudder only. This is how I interprete it, too. But the description says "...in 45 degree upline, perform 1/4 roll, push through a 1/2 circle...", in other words, this means "normal" trombone like in the previous final sequence. We need clarification on this.

AP-15.09 is a "...horizontal circle while performing two consecutive rolls integrated in each 180deg with roll direction to the inside...". There are two rolls integrated in one complete circle so "two rolls integrated in each 180deg" is a bit misleading. But my main question is: Should there be a short pause between the rolls or not?

What do you guys think about the sequences in general? I like the level of difficulty, there are some simple maneuvers but also difficult ones which will make differencies in the scores between pilots. Especially the final sequence includes a couple of very interesting and nice combinations such as the horizontal triangle with many rolls.

These sequences are not suitable for smaller halls which I don't find so good a thing. I flew in a hall with ten meters free height and some maneuvers were not good due to the lack of height, especially the golf ball and the tail slide in the final sequence. I don't think it is a very good idea to have 2/8 roll on the downline after a tail slide. But let's keep on practising, it usually makes flying easier and more precise :-)

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Old Oct 01, 2013, 11:56 AM
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These sequences are not suitable for smaller halls which I don't find so good a thing. I flew in a hall with ten meters free height and some maneuvers were not good due to the lack of height, especially the golf ball and the tail slide in the final sequence. I don't think it is a very good idea to have 2/8 roll on the downline after a tail slide. But let's keep on practising, it usually makes flying easier and more precise :-)

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We cannot fly the schedules in our regular hall as its 6m high. As a result it will mean about £25-00 each for a couple of hrs practise every week for the F3P-A pilots to get to a standard they will be happy with
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Old Oct 05, 2013, 02:13 PM
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How can I find the F3P- Intermediate schedule that will be flown at the TINY event in San Angelo Texas in March 2014. I believe there was some reference to "Geneva" last year. I don't want to wait until the last minute to start practicing.
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