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Old Sep 21, 2012, 08:54 AM
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The decline of the sane Islam

In the frenzy of protests triggered by the Youtube movie, we tend to forget that Islam is , or maybe was,one of the most advanced religions. Islam has given to the world medicine, law, navigation and science in general. At its apex, Islam was the advanced religion while Christianity was backward, and Judaism was closed on itself due to constant Christian persecutions. At this time relations between Islam and Judaism were very good.
It is only recently that Islam has been kidnapped by extremists for political gain. And these extremists are trying, and succeeding, as shown by the over reaction to a dumb movie, to take their people back, or down the ladder of advancement and evolution, by maintaining them at a poor economic level, although Moslim countries are very rich, and by allowing only religious education and no secular sciences. The paradigm is " If you want to survive economically, or get out of poverty, be extreme". That is how these extremists leaders can organize huge and lethal protests against the movie.
The main threat to the western world is not Islam as such, but the extreme leaders who are driving their own people to the extreme dark side of Islam, and the Western World should consider these leaders as threats. Because their undeclared goal is Islamic dominance of the world. France is already 15% islamic, and the pattern repeats itself all over Europe.
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 08:55 AM
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Good post
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:03 AM
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It sure seems that way doesn't it.

I think we got law from the greeks. Not sure if there is a monopoly on medicine, but hey, off topic
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:05 AM
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as I said...Islam now is the Borg Collective of religions. Resistance is not only futile, it's fatal.
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:10 AM
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In the frenzy of protests triggered by the Youtube movie, we tend to forget that Islam is , or maybe was,one of the most advanced religions. Islam has given to the world medicine, law, navigation and science in general. At its apex, Islam was the advanced religion while Christianity was backward, and Judaism was closed on itself due to constant Christian persecutions. At this time relations between Islam and Judaism were very good.
It is only recently that Islam has been kidnapped by extremists for political gain. And these extremists are trying, and succeeding, as shown by the over reaction to a dumb movie, to take their people back, or down the ladder of advancement and evolution, by maintaining them at a poor economic level, although Moslim countries are very rich, and by allowing only religious education and no secular sciences. The paradigm is " If you want to survive economically, or get out of poverty, be extreme". That is how these extremists leaders can organize huge and lethal protests against the movie.
The main threat to the western world is not Islam as such, but the extreme leaders who are driving their own people to the extreme dark side of Islam, and the Western World should consider these leaders as threats. Because their undeclared goal is Islamic dominance of the world. France is already 15% islamic, and the pattern repeats itself all over Europe.
Can you please give your definition of extremist?

Do you realize that these leaders are being fed by the nasty underworld of espionage? Not the USA, not Israel, not any one country or Gov. but, an institution that feeds on infiltration in order to create chaos in these said regions.

Agent Provacatuer has been and still is being used by special forces in order to forward the agenda of war mongers and keep their flow of money & power moving.

That and the fully warped zionist control of the media so you hear only what they want you to hear.

I do agree the Islam pot is being spoiled but, the extremist get paid very well from the dark side of espionage.
Who the heck else has the money to pay them? The FED just prints what it needs and you pay the interest on that in the form of tax as your dollar spirals down below the value of TP.

End the FED, then end the wars and end the extremist. Kinda simple, maybe but, if you don't try it, how will you know??

End the flow of money (root of all evil) and you end the problem.

Always follow the money and if you can, stop the flow.
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:14 AM
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Can you please give your definition of extremist?

Do you realize that these leaders are being fed by the nasty underworld of espionage? Not the USA, not Israel, not any one country or Gov. but, an institution that feeds on infiltration in order to create chaos in these said regions.

Agent Provacatuer has been and still is being used by special forces in order to forward the agenda of war mongers and keep their flow of money & power moving.

That and the fully warped zionist control of the media so you hear only what they want you to hear.

I do agree the Islam pot is being spoiled but, the extremist get paid very well from the dark side of espionage.
Who the heck else has the money to pay them? The FED just prints what it needs and you pay the interest on that in the form of tax as your dollar spirals down below the value of TP.
yeah...it's the Illuminati.
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I believe those things predated most of Islam. Islam acts as a limit on innovation. Same with religious right Christianity. It is nonsensical to give a religion credit for advances, save the philosophical era of Catholicism, and that was just a science substitute during the dark ages.

Religion, on it's face, is conservative. Being realistic about the anthropomorphizing of religions and it's ALLEGORICAL truths, would stop a lot of violence and stifling of improvement of the human condition. A lot of religion is teaching you to stop bucking, and stay in your place.

In the particular case of Islam, it teaches a rigid proscription against usury. This, more than any other factor, holds back the industrialization of the middle east. It also is why the middle east stands out as a jewel, in a world where capitalism has drained most pockets of new customers. They are ripe for exploitation, if only we can westernize them to ignore their religious proscriptions. Turning them into souless customers is what all our invasions are about.
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:18 AM
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You're right slope. YOU move over there and create the communist state they should have.

I've never seen people biting the hand that feeds as much as you socialist(or whatever the heck you are). You live and take from the very system you denounce, the very system that put US at the top of the world.
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:18 AM
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Slople, with you, right up until the last few sentences, which are bunk.

Islam will not stop until all the world is Islam, or that all the non-Islamist have been killed.
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:19 AM
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with you, right up until the last few sentences, which are bunk.

Islam will not stop until all the world is Islam, or that all the non-Islamist have been killed.
I don't believe that for a moment - you are mistaken if you think it's anything more than a vociferous minority that think that!
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:24 AM
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I don't care what you believe. My eyes and ears tell me something entirely different.

Name me another mainstream religion besides Islam that preaches and advocates killing people for having another belief system, publishing cartoons of their idiot prophet, being gay, having an affair, or anything else that happens every day to every one?
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:25 AM
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I don't care what you believe. My eyes and ears tell me something entirely different.

Name me another mainstream religion besides Islam that preaches and advocates killing people for having another belief system, publishing cartoons of their idiot prophet, being gay, having an affair, or anything else that happens every day to every one?
How many Islamic countries have you lived in

I've lived in a few

Been to Indonesia - Turkey (for example) have you ?
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:25 AM
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How come Saudi Arabia doesn't come to the aid of it's brothers?

No Arab Spring in Saudi Arabia? Why not?

It is bought and paid for.
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:31 AM
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How many Islamic countries have you lived in

I've lived in a few

Been to Indonesia - Turkey (for example) have you ?
I've lived in many, many countries. I grew up in Europe. I've been to Saudi, Kuwait, Bahrain, Turkey, Morroco, Egypt.....ad nauseam.

So please, don't trot out the "I've lived in other places, silly American man", trope, because it won't fly here.
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Old Sep 21, 2012, 09:32 AM
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How many Islamic countries have you lived in

I've lived in a few

Been to Indonesia - Turkey (for example) have you ?
Answer my question. Which other mainstream religion does what Islam does today?
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