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Old Sep 25, 2012, 09:45 PM
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Wow Brett! You must be bored at work today.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 12:00 AM
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LOL...sometimes just need to take a break from coding!
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 04:12 AM
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Rudlickiego means V-tail - Rudlicki simply was a guy who came up with the idea of V-tail
most of the airfoils from Blejzyk are modified - just base on the airfoil specified - to make the most of it's potential the airfoil also changes - different close to the fuss from what's in the middle and at the end of the wing
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 10:53 AM
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Feedback from Artur:
difference is in the wing area:
Elf- 13,00 dm
Faun- 12,54 dm
Spin - 11,43 dm
in my opinion Elf or Faun would be best for your race series.
-Wayne
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 01:31 PM
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I'll take one Elf, please! (Or maybe more...)
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 01:38 PM
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Faun

Wayne,

From the pictures it looks as though the Faun might be intended for full span ailerons? Looks like it can be built with cruciform tail too? If so it might make a good VTPP plane! That could interest me.

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Old Sep 26, 2012, 01:42 PM
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I don't know all the places you guys fly at, so forgive this question, but are flaps a requirement? I ask mainly because there might be people who don't have radios that don't support a full house sailplane with camber changing, crow, snap flap, etc.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 01:46 PM
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My vote is for the Elf - or whatever the masses of this group decide, because I'm ready to try something new. My rationale is that I tend to divide the amount of "generated fun" by the "costs" (time to build, cash to purchase). The Speedo has easily returned positive dividends. I'm a fan of bagged or pressed wood-over-foam wing. The first plane I built with that platform was my Stinger 45v2 and I really started to like that method of wing construction.

With the amount of sunlight available after work on weekdays for flying diminishing each day I know I'm going to have more time for building over the next few months. It would be pretty cool for the races in 2013 to have a new/additional platform.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 01:47 PM
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I think I'm leaning towards an Elf as well. If I got one, I might considering modifying it into a two piece wing though. My future may hold a bit more traveling in it and it would be cool to be as portable as possible.

-Jonathan
who does and doesn't want to know what a VTPP is...
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 02:01 PM
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Flaps?

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I don't know all the places you guys fly at, so forgive this question, but are flaps a requirement? I ask mainly because there might be people who don't have radios that don't support a full house sailplane with camber changing, crow, snap flap, etc.
I'm not part of the racing crowd & generally fly lighter VTPP planes but do have a Minvector with flaps where crow mixing really helps. My lighter planes don't really need separate flap sections & I can shuttle between +/- full span flapperons to get a decent approach & spoil at almost any hill I've flown. One other good thing about flaps separated from ailerons though is that in a long span plane you can mix aileron function with flaps to get a different degree of control surface travel between the outboard & inboard portions of the wing to better match that deflection with the angular speed of the wing sections in a fast roll. I personally wouldn't bother with separate flaps in these new slopers being discussed here. Almost all current Tx's have lots of mixing included so that shouldn't be a big issue.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 02:01 PM
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I don't know all the places you guys fly at, so forgive this question, but are flaps a requirement? I ask mainly because there might be people who don't have radios that don't support a full house sailplane with camber changing, crow, snap flap, etc.
The flaps sure help slow things down a bunch, and this helps planes survive a LOT longer. I think it is well worth the investment in a radio that will support our glider mixes.

But if you don't want flaps, just glue them to the aileron and have full span ailerons.

I have a family friend that wanted to get into the flying. I bought him a 9X radio and outfitted it with a FrSky moldule. For about $100 you end up with an 8 channel radio that will do all the glider mixes, has full telemetry and one of the most reliable RF systems available today. (OK, you will want to upgrade the 9X firmware, but you can probably find someone local to you that has a programmer sitting around...)

-Wayne
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 02:06 PM
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The flaps sure help slow things down a bunch
James, imagine how slow you could do laps if you had flaps and not just spoilerons.

-Jonathan
who knows he owes one of his heat wins to Jame's spoilerons.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 02:06 PM
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I think I'm leaning towards an Elf as well. If I got one, I might considering modifying it into a two piece wing though. My future may hold a bit more traveling in it and it would be cool to be as portable as possible.

-Jonathan
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It's just my term for VTPR that's done close in to the operator. Substitute "Pilote" for "Relief" in "Voltij Tres Pres du Relief" & you get VTPP. (Caution: Does not work in Polish). Bring a helmet!

Richard
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 02:54 PM
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I'm pretty sure the ailerons and flaps don't come per-cut. If others don't allready own a radio that will support a full house ship, I'm sure you can cut a full span aileron, or even short ailerons like the Speedo already has.
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Old Sep 26, 2012, 02:57 PM
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I'm pretty sure the ailerons and flaps don't come per-cut. If others don't already own a radio that will support a full house ship, I'm sure you can cut a full span aileron, or even short ailerons like the Speedo already has.
Wayne said something about live hinges, so I think that would mean they are precut. That wouldn't necessarily mean the flaps have been separated from the ailerons though.

-Jonathan

EDIT: Check the build thread of the Mefisto (1.9m version) Wayne did. I'd imagine the wings would come very similarly.
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