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Old Oct 15, 2012, 09:46 AM
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Maidened my Sbach yesterday. Absolutely beautiful day but ~10-12mph winds had me a bit concerned, and the li'l booger handled 'em beautifully!

She's quick! Really gotta go easy on the sticks (more, later) & stay on top of things, paying attention to what you're doing & its relation to wind direction. I was mildly surprised how well it penetrates into the wind; expecting almost standstills but not the case at all. One thing though - when you turn onto a downwind leg, it gets gone in a hurry!!

Re 'the sticks'. I had 3 rates set up on my X9303; first the 'book' low & high rates on center & forward clicks of a 3-position switch, plus what I termed 'mild-low' rate on the 3rd position. Basically, the latter was just the standard low rates with a bit more expo. In the flights - got in 4 for the day - it responded so quickly to inputs it was initially a matter of turn & correct, turn & correct....with a 'save' or four thrown in here & there. I actually crashed twice, but getting off the throttle & pulling up almost in time resulted in no bad damage; worst being a bent wheel pant & the spinner popped off in the other.

After the experience - before next session I'm gonna add about half-again more expo to all 3 settings; oughta reduce some of the 'quick' & smooth things out nicely. There's one other downside note I'll make; relating to its size. In the darkening stages after sunset, it quickly got easy to lose orientation. Trying to get in one more (fourth) flight I had to back off any aerobatics & finally decided to bring 'er on in early. I'll note my ol' eyes ain't their sharpest any more, & YMMV but something to keep in mind.

One further comment about motor power & the 180 Nano-Techs. One li'l surprise when I broke 'er out of the box was, our club's Jet Jockey let out an expression of delight - turns out he'd recently bought & has been flying a UMX Beast. I let him take the 342 up for a spin, & not a minute in, he commented it was much faster than his Beast. He asked what LiPo I's flying & I told him; & he responded that he'd read they seemed 'hotter'. Later he came over & asked to borrow one of mine to try in his Beast for comparison, & afterwards said it definitely was - & a very noticeable difference. Also noted he'd been flying a 'different brand' 300mAh but the tiny bit of additional weight really dogged it down.

Anyway, hopefully all that's not too much report 'jabber'....about all that's left to say is, definitely looking forward to the next round!

Is this an AS3X Sbach or an original?

I fly My AS3X on full rates with no Expo. Low rates + Expo would neuter the plane unless someone was a real hammerstick. When hovering as is, I wished it had MORE throw.
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:20 AM
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LHS just called. Film at 11....

Joel
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:29 AM
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My new bird is supposed to be here Tuesday. To feed my addiction while I have been waiting, I got motivated to run the wattmeter on my Beast to see the difference between the NT 260's vs the Mini 210's. I'll have to borrow someone's stock pack so I can get those numbers posted.

Stock motor (2500kv)
Stock prop (5x2.75)

Miniaviation 210mah 2s 25c:
Volts - 7.17
Amps - 2.66
Watts - 19.9

Turnigy 260mah 2s 35-70c:
Volts - 7.67
Amps - 2.76
Watts - 22.1

A 10% increase in power, that's going to be noticeable. That is only the first charge on the Turnigys, I expect the numbers to get better after break-in. Here's a buddy code for anyone interested.
http://www.hobbyking.com/buddy.asp?c...E-B7BB9022B3DA
Wow!! Interesting numbers!!! Glad I ordered a few of those packs. :-)
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:32 AM
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Is this an AS3X Sbach or an original?

I fly My AS3X on full rates with no Expo. Low rates + Expo would neuter the plane unless someone was a real hammerstick. When hovering as is, I wished it had MORE throw.
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:40 AM
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LHS just called. Film at 11....

Joel
Wahooo!
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:42 AM
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Just got back from flying my converted Sbach. SO easy and precise. With all you guys getting new Sbachs I'm a bit jealous. I wouldn't cry if my old Sbach somehow wore out or something.
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:43 AM
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LHS just called. Film at 11....

Joel
That's too late. Film @ 6:00?
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:45 AM
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Maidened my Sbach yesterday. Absolutely beautiful day but ~10-12mph winds had me a bit concerned, and the li'l booger handled 'em beautifully!

She's quick! Really gotta go easy on the sticks (more, later) & stay on top of things, paying attention to what you're doing & its relation to wind direction. I was mildly surprised how well it penetrates into the wind; expecting almost standstills but not the case at all. One thing though - when you turn onto a downwind leg, it gets gone in a hurry!!

Re 'the sticks'. I had 3 rates set up on my X9303; first the 'book' low & high rates on center & forward clicks of a 3-position switch, plus what I termed 'mild-low' rate on the 3rd position. Basically, the latter was just the standard low rates with a bit more expo. In the flights - got in 4 for the day - it responded so quickly to inputs it was initially a matter of turn & correct, turn & correct....with a 'save' or four thrown in here & there. I actually crashed twice, but getting off the throttle & pulling up almost in time resulted in no bad damage; worst being a bent wheel pant & the spinner popped off in the other.

After the experience - before next session I'm gonna add about half-again more expo to all 3 settings; oughta reduce some of the 'quick' & smooth things out nicely. There's one other downside note I'll make; relating to its size. In the darkening stages after sunset, it quickly got easy to lose orientation. Trying to get in one more (fourth) flight I had to back off any aerobatics & finally decided to bring 'er on in early. I'll note my ol' eyes ain't their sharpest any more, & YMMV but something to keep in mind.

One further comment about motor power & the 180 Nano-Techs. One li'l surprise when I broke 'er out of the box was, our club's Jet Jockey let out an expression of delight - turns out he'd recently bought & has been flying a UMX Beast. I let him take the 342 up for a spin, & not a minute in, he commented it was much faster than his Beast. He asked what LiPo I's flying & I told him; & he responded that he'd read they seemed 'hotter'. Later he came over & asked to borrow one of mine to try in his Beast for comparison, & afterwards said it definitely was - & a very noticeable difference. Also noted he'd been flying a 'different brand' 300mAh but the tiny bit of additional weight really dogged it down.

Anyway, hopefully all that's not too much report 'jabber'....about all that's left to say is, definitely looking forward to the next round!
Flew mine all weekend at a big RC field with some bigger 3D planes there everyone commented on how stable it was for being so little. She's very very quick!!! On one flight I was doing some hovering few feet off the runway, lost it she hammered in straight on the nose , not much damage except crinkled nose cone,, but the plastic prop adapter bent just tiny bit.,, caused a tinsy bit of motor vibration that caused the ASX in pitch plane to go nuts and wiggle in fast level flight. So Sat. Night went and Got Another Sbach ( I really like this plane) got another prop adapter. Next day flew new one and towards end of day sorta botched a landing approach came in nosed over real hard,, the. Started getting that same high speed tail wiggle Again. :-(,, not as bad this time,, I'm pretty sure it's cause is a bent prop adapter,,, at least that's my working Theroy for now
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:46 AM
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That's too late. Film @ 6:00?
Isn't turboparker EST? That would make it "film at" 8. 8PST for us. I"ll be looking for a SF Giants win by then though.
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:47 AM
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Flew mine all weekend at a big RC field with some bigger 3D planes there everyone commented on how stable it was for being so little. She's very very quick!!! On one flight I was doing some hovering few feet off the runway, lost it she hammered in straight on the nose , not much damage except crinkled nose cone,, but the plastic prop adapter bent just tiny bit.,, caused a tinsy bit of motor vibration that caused the ASX in pitch plane to go nuts and wiggle in fast level flight. So Sat. Night went and Got Another Sbach ( I really like this plane) got another prop adapter. Next day flew new one and towards end of day sorta botched a landing approach came in nosed over real hard,, the. Started getting that same high speed tail wiggle Again. :-(,, not as bad this time,, I'm pretty sure it's cause is a bent prop adapter,,, at least that's my working Theroy for now
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Good luck with all the maidens this week, the sbach with AS3X is one of the greatest flying treats someone could hope for.
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Ill replace prop adapters on BOTH planes and let you know if that fixes it. But something to watch out for
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:49 AM
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Ill replace prop adapters on BOTH planes and let you know if that fixes it. But something to watch out for
If I was you I'd look out more for the ground coming up and snatching the poor Sbach from the sky
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:58 AM
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Maidened my Sbach yesterday. Absolutely beautiful day but ~10-12mph winds had me a bit concerned, and the li'l booger handled 'em beautifully!

She's quick! Really gotta go easy on the sticks (more, later) & stay on top of things, paying attention to what you're doing & its relation to wind direction. I was mildly surprised how well it penetrates into the wind; expecting almost standstills but not the case at all. One thing though - when you turn onto a downwind leg, it gets gone in a hurry!!

Re 'the sticks'. I had 3 rates set up on my X9303; first the 'book' low & high rates on center & forward clicks of a 3-position switch, plus what I termed 'mild-low' rate on the 3rd position. Basically, the latter was just the standard low rates with a bit more expo. In the flights - got in 4 for the day - it responded so quickly to inputs it was initially a matter of turn & correct, turn & correct....with a 'save' or four thrown in here & there. I actually crashed twice, but getting off the throttle & pulling up almost in time resulted in no bad damage; worst being a bent wheel pant & the spinner popped off in the other.

After the experience - before next session I'm gonna add about half-again more expo to all 3 settings; oughta reduce some of the 'quick' & smooth things out nicely. There's one other downside note I'll make; relating to its size. In the darkening stages after sunset, it quickly got easy to lose orientation. Trying to get in one more (fourth) flight I had to back off any aerobatics & finally decided to bring 'er on in early. I'll note my ol' eyes ain't their sharpest any more, & YMMV but something to keep in mind.

One further comment about motor power & the 180 Nano-Techs. One li'l surprise when I broke 'er out of the box was, our club's Jet Jockey let out an expression of delight - turns out he'd recently bought & has been flying a UMX Beast. I let him take the 342 up for a spin, & not a minute in, he commented it was much faster than his Beast. He asked what LiPo I's flying & I told him; & he responded that he'd read they seemed 'hotter'. Later he came over & asked to borrow one of mine to try in his Beast for comparison, & afterwards said it definitely was - & a very noticeable difference. Also noted he'd been flying a 'different brand' 300mAh but the tiny bit of additional weight really dogged it down.

Anyway, hopefully all that's not too much report 'jabber'....about all that's left to say is, definitely looking forward to the next round!
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If I was you I'd look out more for the ground coming up and snatching the poor Sbach from the sky
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Yes!! That IS a problem :-)
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Old Oct 15, 2012, 11:59 AM
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These prop adapters shouldn't bend that easily I think though but if that's only problem with this great flying plane,, I'm ok with that
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