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Old Jan 15, 2013, 04:03 PM
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hardly! thats using ALL BVM gear! which is super light weight compared to what most are going to use in the XXX.

im gonna put a strong 120mm if I grab the X
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 05:22 PM
My Lipo is Bigger than Yours!
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10 ounce difference IS comparable,what are you talking about?I got that info.off the BVM site,I don't care what they put in it,that is what it says,that is 10 ounce difference,what is your point?
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 06:20 PM
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Billy - did the proto use the JTM struts/wheels ? Are the wheels inflateable ? Still think this will be the biggest weight issue if your planning to use them. I am, they are super high quality and I need the durability flying off petro tarp. Best way to save a few lbs is to fly shorter flights with smaller batts IMO - also take some time to balance without nose weight. If you have to add weight to balance it, you've failed.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 06:35 PM
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Just a few thoughts as far as weight goes.
The Electra Arf as per BVM's website is $2495
The E-blue retracts for it are $1195, and that’s for wire struts.
That’s a total of $3690

The XXX sport jet as per Usarcjets.com is $1250
Electric retracts and struts are $700
That’s a total of $1950

That means that the XXX is $1740 less expensive than an Electra. I know they are very close in size but I really don’t see an extra pound, if thats what it ends up being, in a jet this size being the end of the world.
Just my 2 cents.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 06:38 PM
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Bare Airframe Weigh Off: xXx vs. Electra

Having purchased both "ARF"s I can say with conviction that comparing the 2 is a little like comparing apples and oranges. The xXx is a true ARF, anybody can have the flying surfaces securely attached to the fuse within 30 minutes. I would classify the Electra as falling somewhere between an ARF and a Kit. In that the wings are finished and everything is painted but the fuse is hollow, just like a kit. Based on the procedure outlined in the manual I'm expecting it will take me over 20 hours to get to the point I'm at with the xXx after 30 minutes. When you add the hysol setup time and how much of the fuse you can fill before you have to wait for the installed parts to set up I'm sure I'll be at it for a few days.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 06:41 PM
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i thought 2 to 3 pounds sounded too high. I'll deal with an extra pound of weight for half the price
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 06:49 PM
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good point! My buddies have Electras, Bandits, Bobcats, and Kingcats and they are a ton of work. My buddy built his Comp ARF Flash way faster than his BVM Bandit. They are kits with pre-painted airframes haha

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Having purchased both "ARF"s I can say with conviction that comparing the 2 is a little like comparing apples and oranges. The xXx is a true ARF, anybody can have the flying surfaces securely attached to the fuse within 30 minutes. I would classify the Electra as falling somewhere between an ARF and a Kit. In that the wings are finished and everything is painted but the fuse is hollow, just like a kit. Based on the procedure outlined in the manual I'm expecting it will take me over 20 hours to get to the point I'm at with the xXx after 30 minutes. When you add the hysol setup time and how much of the fuse you can fill before you have to wait for the installed parts to set up I'm sure I'll be at it for a few days.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 06:57 PM
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i thought 2 to 3 pounds sounded too high. I'll deal with an extra pound of weight for half the price
Im right there with ya. Hopefully my XXX should be in soon. Really looking forward to it.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 07:41 PM
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Great comparison in build effort - don't forget the time spent to glue the canopy in - JTM does an awesome job with that.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 08:26 PM
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I was suprised the air frames came in the same at 6.5 lbs
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 08:55 PM
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I was suprised the air frames came in the same at 6.5 lbs
Wow,I guess the overall weight of the Electra airframe and the XXX airframe are comparable!
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 09:14 PM
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never mind... just repeating myself...
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 08:18 AM
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Msc guy what fan are you installing in the xxx.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 08:46 AM
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I love this plane and hope it does well. Has great looks and seems to be built well.

But lets not forget Rob Lynch has the second electra off the line, one of the prototypes and he flies the crap out of it for many years and its still going strong. I still want to see this plane perform with hard aerobatics for a flying season before I would spend my money on one. Also I still have not herd how it flies? Just herd it goes fast. How is the knife edge performance? Coupling? Hows it inverted? How about doing inverted spins? Does it recover well? These are things I would like to know about a plane before I buy it.

Billy you need to get one in Pablos hands for a while and see if he can break it. If it survives Pablos flying then its tested lol. Although Jim Hiller is a great stick also. How does Jim like it Billy? Cant wait to see this plane in the flesh at KYjets this year!
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 10:58 AM
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I believe he will be putting in a Stu 110mm in it..

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Msc guy what fan are you installing in the xxx.
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