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Old Oct 23, 2012, 05:39 PM
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Yes, great work Pat, a very interesting build thread

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Old Oct 23, 2012, 10:19 PM
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Thanks for the encouragement guys - but mostly I'm just following the plans.....

Darook - probably I'll use 'canopy glue' - stick plastic OK and is slightly flexible after drying clear.

Shnokey - There is a vertical longintudinal bulkhead on the centreline under the gunners platform that 'might' give a bit of protection! But I have envisaged having a dummy nose for first flights (if they happen!)

I did a bit of experimenting - the 'solid' areas mostly have normal small windows fitted to them and they also are in the area that blends into the fuselage so I've made them from .4mm ply allowing sanding, and in sections to allow some measure of double-curvature. Seems to work OK. The windows will be glazed from behind later after painting. One section of the ply panels is actually a hatch so that detail will be done later too..

More experimenting. Since the birdcage section is basically circular/slightly oval, I figured that provided a piece of clear plastic had the right fore-and-aft curvature, plus some degree of side-to-side, I might find some stuff in the house that could be used as plugs to pull heated clear plastic sheet over it. Two candidates gave me almost all the curves needed. The electric kettle, and a wine bottle with a slender neck The bottle gave some material suitable for panels close to the nose and the kettle was OK further back. A few bits of 'shirt box' plastic were tried and one taped to the frame - a bit rippley but I'll work on that with thicker plastic. At least the idea works

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Old Oct 24, 2012, 01:37 AM
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Aaaaah..... Good ol' "Russell Hobbes" 'Stralian cookware for shaping ww2 bomber canopy.
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Old Oct 24, 2012, 05:54 AM
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Russell Hobbs boils water pretty well too......!

I did some more of the ply panelled segments after trying to coax some 2-way curves into the 1/64 ply. I soaked some panels and clamped them around a wine bottle and got a very small amount of convex shape but not much. Didn't matter too much up on the thick end anyway. The big rectangular hole near the top will be a sliding hatch - glazed, and will be added later.

Some more ply needs to go underneath where bomb sights etc are placed.

Dummy rear cabin bulkhead will be fitted later with the cabin doors etc.

Now I'm looking for a clear plastic hemisphere to do the nose turret with. A search of a toy store will probably bring some suitable packaging......

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Old Oct 24, 2012, 02:46 PM
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The front crew of these He111's must have felt pretty exposed sitting in that glasshouse with the RAF buzzing around trying hard to ruin their day. Not a nice place to be sitting in a belly landing either.
Great job Pat, enjoyable to watch and see it developing. From my memories of my Matchbox 1.72 scale He111 the nose turret had a slightly droopy look to it.

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Old Oct 24, 2012, 02:56 PM
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Thanks Steve - yes, from all accounts the crew felt a bit vulnerable - OK in the early European Blitzkreig conditions where there was little opposition but when a determined enemy appeared..... But, it does give a scale modeller lots of room to 'tart it up a bit' - later

The nose turret is often sen as too much of a 'bubble' on the front. The upper line of the turret is almost at the same curve as the fixed glazing behind it but because the joint angle slopes back, it, as you say, droops. Stil looking for a suitable bubble.......
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Old Oct 24, 2012, 03:25 PM
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My grandmother was a motorcycle despatch rider in England during the war and told me as a boy that watching the dogfights over Kent and London were 'better than a good football match' as she put it

She and another man were severly reprimanded at one point for dragging crew from a fallen German bomber that was alight in a field - reprimanded because they were not given permission to leave their post and enter the aircraft endangering their own lives. My gran said the crew were 'just boys and bloody scared like the rest of us'.

I remember she had a great book called 'Hells Corner' about the air battles over Kent during the BoB. Lots of good photo's and text, unfortunately it perished in a house fire and I've never seen another copy since.
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Old Oct 24, 2012, 03:45 PM
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My grandmother was a motorcycle despatch rider in England during the war and told me as a boy that watching the dogfights over Kent and London were 'better than a good football match' as she put it

She and another man were severly reprimanded at one point for dragging crew from a fallen German bomber that was alight in a field - reprimanded because they were not given permission to leave their post and enter the aircraft endangering their own lives. My gran said the crew were 'just boys and bloody scared like the rest of us'.
What a great story! You should be very proud of both her courage and her humanity.
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Old Oct 24, 2012, 03:54 PM
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Hey Pat:

I am watching your build rapidly unfold. Your He-111 is looking great. Love the work on the nose. Not sure if you guys have these down in OZ, but you should consider using a clear plastic casing from a toy in a 'bubble gum' dispenser for the tip. It would save a lot of work. Great job. Alex
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Old Oct 24, 2012, 04:39 PM
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Also check out a container of tennis balls. Approximately right size - slightly smaller diameter and very flexible. Beautifully clear plastic. Also the top aluminum ring is perfect 1/10
scale gun ring.
We are all watching your progress with great anticipation of another fabulous masterpiece..
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Old Oct 24, 2012, 07:23 PM
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Pat has people scouring the world for oddsnsods, lucky nobody has his postal address, i can just imagine the rubbish truck turning up and tipping it's load of plastic packaging rubbish on his verge, all covered in international postage stamps

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Old Oct 24, 2012, 08:56 PM
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No please guys - it's bad enough that my wife dumps every likely looking bit of plastic on the table and refers to every found item as a 'nose cone' - no doubt I was looking for one once

I finished the last solid bits of the birdcage - some rather crazy panels underneath the gunner/bomber's position. All the remaining panels must be glazed sometime in the future. Time to move on, but where?

I may start looking at the nacelles. I will probably vac-form much of them but the plan shows rather substantial built-up radiator housings - strong enough to assist in wheels-up landing according to the designer Other nacelle parts are the forward emgine housings, upper fairing over the wing and the larger lower fairings housing the UC - including the gear doors. A lot to do.

AUW incl. wheels and retracts is 3.5 lb - not a floater nor a brick (yet)

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Old Oct 24, 2012, 09:15 PM
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What a great story! You should be very proud of both her courage and her humanity.
We are Frank She mentioned the rescue only once ever to me but we found out that they wanted to court martial her and the other man involved from army records that were referred too at her funeral a couple of years back. She just said she got into a lot of trouble for doing it.The records also said that she was calm under fire when truck convoys that she would escort on her motorbike were strafed so we were especially proud of her hearing that.

Looks brilliant Pat, is there a colour scheme in mind? May have to check the threads beginning to see.

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Old Oct 24, 2012, 09:16 PM
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very nice mate, 3.5lb is quite good i would think, especially as the retracts are already in.
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Old Oct 24, 2012, 11:07 PM
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That greenhouse nose is amazing!

Work of love!
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