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Old Nov 06, 2012, 06:51 PM
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It needs flaps, or it isn't worth owning... In my opinion.
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Old Nov 06, 2012, 06:56 PM
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Tough crowd... although not much to be said to defend poor communication.


I have seen Matts fly several times and imo he gets away fine without flaps. I think he is using flaperons (or spoilerons) on landing though...

I kinda would like one for myself as I just gave up my racer, but am committed to other projects...
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Old Nov 06, 2012, 07:01 PM
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Tough crowd... although not much to be said to defend poor communication.


I have seen Matts fly several times and imo he gets away fine without flaps. I think he is using flaperons (or spoilerons) on landing though...

I kinda would like one for myself as I just gave up my racer, but am committed to other projects...
It would be spoilerons, just like the review said.

It kills lift, and you need to keep the nose up and kind of slide it in... fast.

With flaps and ailerons, you can use crow and slow it down to a crawl...pointing straight down.
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Old Nov 06, 2012, 07:15 PM
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I see what you mean
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Old Nov 07, 2012, 01:57 AM
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I have the same model different color though...


It is quite easy to land with spoilerons. It kills the lift well and prevents tip stall and stabilizes the glide so you can pull up very much on final glide to slow it down. Without spoileron it is hopeless to land with my skill.
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Old Nov 07, 2012, 03:18 AM
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I have the same model different color though...


It is quite easy to land with spoilerons. It kills the lift well and prevents tip stall and stabilizes the glide so you can pull up very much on final glide to slow it down. Without spoileron it is hopeless to land with my skill.
Nevertheless, there is basically no speed control.

You are relying on a stall to slow you down.
Spoilerons simply kill lift.
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Old Nov 07, 2012, 05:48 AM
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They also act like air brakes increasing drag. Not extremely effective ones but nevertheless. I deploy them as much as possible.
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Old Nov 07, 2012, 06:57 AM
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They also act like air brakes increasing drag. Not extremely effective ones but nevertheless. I deploy them as much as possible.
You're right, not very effective air brakes.

An F5B ship really needs flaps... especially if it is over 300 dollars for the air frame.

Again, in my opinion.
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Old Nov 07, 2012, 12:23 PM
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After thinking about it for a bit, the real factor is, how strong is the wing?
How is it constructed, and with what materials?
Flaps may not be possible.
Sorry if I missed that information in the review.
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Old Nov 07, 2012, 01:29 PM
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Hollow molded with balsa core, carbon fiber under the gelcoat. Its strong; no issues with flexing that I can note.
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Old Nov 07, 2012, 01:46 PM
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Hollow molded with balsa core, carbon fiber under the gelcoat. Its strong; no issues with flexing that I can note.
What acts as the spar?
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Old Nov 07, 2012, 08:52 PM
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Same here this puppy looks great.

I might have 2 questions:
-on this video, we can see flaps on the wing:
http://youtu.be/NGhBryG3Aok
Is it a specific version? No mention of flaps in the reviewed version.

-is there different colors?

One last question...
When will it be on sale again?

thanks
Hi,

the video that you saw, we have modded in flaps ourselves to test the usablitiy of flaps. For the version that we are offering, we found that it is able to land at safe speed without needing flaps. We wanted to keep it simple for beginners to hotliners. Future versions may come with flaps pending user demand.

For colours, we only have one standard colour.

For sale, do keep a look out on our website, we will be launching another promo soon.
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Old Nov 07, 2012, 08:53 PM
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Well I cannot seem to get any questions answered by them either through their website or via email.I have sent two requests for info over the past few weeks and have had zero response. If that is customer service then count me out.
Hello,

we are sorry, our form on our contact page is not working so we were not able to receive any. Please send us an email directly via info@apachobby.com.

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Old Nov 07, 2012, 11:13 PM
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I've seen these things fly and they don't really need flaps to land.

but of course, if you're stuffing in a 7s and above with an MVVS redliner / 3 kw setup, it miggght be better for you to have a big(er) field.
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Old Nov 08, 2012, 12:47 AM
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They are manufactured in different colors but I believe those are reserved for different retailers. Same plane, different retailer, different color scheme, different name.

http://www.launchmodel.cn/enProductShow.asp?id=147
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