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Old Aug 20, 2012, 07:14 AM
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So you guys believe that making addiction and dependency easier would save money, lives etc?

I don't like drugs, believe it's an excuse for weak minded people to escape reality - which doesn't work - but don't know what the answer is.

I'm just wondering how making it more available and 'presuming' people will be more responsible (when they have already proven they are irresponsible by getting addicted in the first place) will reduce all the problems that the 'war on drugs' was trying to prevent.

A tricky problem..
Drugs - alcohol - if folks have a death wish who are we to limit their efforts?

I don't 'do' drugs (not even paracetamol) - I like whisky and beer, gin and rum but again, don't 'do' drunk even!

If you wanted to Norman, I'd be the last person to suggest the fun police come around to spoil your evening!
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 08:10 AM
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We should absolutely legalize pot.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 08:46 AM
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Drugs - alcohol - if folks have a death wish who are we to limit their efforts?

I don't 'do' drugs (not even paracetamol) - I like whisky and beer, gin and rum but again, don't 'do' drunk even!

If you wanted to Norman, I'd be the last person to suggest the fun police come around to spoil your evening!
Considering how many get killed by drunk drivers?
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 08:46 AM
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Considering how many get killed by drunk drivers?
Getting drunk and falling over or dead isn't the same as falling over and getting into a car!
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 08:51 AM
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This prohibition makes the last one look like a resounding success.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 08:52 AM
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So you guys believe that making addiction and dependency easier would save money, lives etc?

I don't like drugs, believe it's an excuse for weak minded people to escape reality - which doesn't work - but don't know what the answer is.

I'm just wondering how making it more available and 'presuming' people will be more responsible (when they have already proven they are irresponsible by getting addicted in the first place) will reduce all the problems that the 'war on drugs' was trying to prevent.

A tricky problem..
I see you don't understand addiction It has nothing to do with a weak mind, and everything to do with chemestry. Your statement about addiction runs right along with religous opinion and contrary to a modern understanding. You can say yeah, you are irresponsible for doing a drug, but not for the addiction. I can call you irresponsible for drinking alcohol aswell. Getting addicted isn't a conscience choice someone makes. In fact it's a completely unintended consequence.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 08:55 AM
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IF any were legalized, they would be heavily taxed which would help all economies in the short term. BUT we would then be taking care of a bunch of useless, burnt out people which would more than chew through the taxes long term. THEN crime would skyrocket due to the addictions by so many that need to kill and steal for money to purchase more.

Obviously, my opinion is no legalization. Society will be much worse off in the long term with legal drugs.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 10:12 AM
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IF any were legalized, they would be heavily taxed which would help all economies in the short term. BUT we would then be taking care of a bunch of useless, burnt out people which would more than chew through the taxes long term. THEN crime would skyrocket due to the addictions by so many that need to kill and steal for money to purchase more.

Obviously, my opinion is no legalization. Society will be much worse off in the long term with legal drugs.
Didn't work for alcohol
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 10:44 AM
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I see you don't understand addiction It has nothing to do with a weak mind, and everything to do with chemestry. Your statement about addiction runs right along with religous opinion and contrary to a modern understanding. You can say yeah, you are irresponsible for doing a drug, but not for the addiction. I can call you irresponsible for drinking alcohol aswell. Getting addicted isn't a conscience choice someone makes. In fact it's a completely unintended consequence.
So, people take drugs to begin with "because of chemistry"!

And I don't give a stuff about an individuals addiction - only the subsequent actions they undertake in order to satisfy their 'chemistry'!
If people keep it to themselves (that includes not drink-driving, or DUI or mugging etc to get money) they can use whatever they like until they die, as far as I'm concerned!

FYI - my mother and father were heavy smokers - up to 120 a day. Having seen how they were hooked I actively chose not to be one - at a time (the 60's) when males were considered less than males to not indulge.

Luckily I don't like the taste of alcohol, and drink pretty limited, typically sharing a bottle of wine every 2 weeks.

And as for drugs - I can handle my own reality, thank you very much - so don't need these mental and emotional crutches - required by those of weak minds!

And as 'getting addicted' is a completely known effect of taking drugs I suppose you need to add 'being stupid' to the list of weak-mindedness!
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 10:46 AM
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Drugs - alcohol - if folks have a death wish who are we to limit their efforts?

I don't 'do' drugs (not even paracetamol) - I like whisky and beer, gin and rum but again, don't 'do' drunk even!

If you wanted to Norman, I'd be the last person to suggest the fun police come around to spoil your evening!
As I've said earlier, ET - do what you like to yourself (and enjoy it) but keep it to yourself!

The rest of us don't want to pay for your (drug etc users) excesses!
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 10:47 AM
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As I've said earlier, ET - do what you like to yourself (and enjoy it) but keep it to yourself!

The rest of us don't want to pay for your (drug etc users) excesses!
agreed - and 'the war' on drugs costs more than not waging a policing effort on same
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 10:48 AM
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You do understand that the rest of the world considers the British to be alcoholics - don't you?

Alcohol is the most common way to escape reality.

The level of alcohol consumption in Britain is considered irresponsible and an addiction by the rest of the world's standards.
Where, in anything I've said, have I excluded alcoholism?
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 10:48 AM
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IF any were legalized, they would be heavily taxed which would help all economies in the short term. BUT we would then be taking care of a bunch of useless, burnt out people which would more than chew through the taxes long term. THEN crime would skyrocket due to the addictions by so many that need to kill and steal for money to purchase more.

Obviously, my opinion is no legalization. Society will be much worse off in the long term with legal drugs.
In areas where pot has been legalized crime has dropped and the percentage of people using hard drugs has declined. Since people can buy pot legally they are not exposed as much to hard drugs lowering the number of people getting addicted to them.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 10:49 AM
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agreed - and 'the war' on drugs costs more than not waging a policing effort on same
As I've said, I don't know the answer - but suspect you have no info to support that claim either.
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Old Aug 20, 2012, 10:49 AM
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Especially for ET and Kenny, from the Bible, "A time to kill and a time to heal."
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