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Old Aug 28, 2012, 10:23 PM
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excellent..im sure a lot of people are waiting to see this..I am one of them. Also, when will you give us the final price and release date for steadi470 ?
It will be released in September 10th, 2012.

Marketing Price: USD1999

Preorder deal before September 9th, 2012
USD1739 (USD260 reduced)
DELIVERY TIME: 30 working days upon receipt of full payment.

What are included:
1 Airframe×1
2 Camera Gimbal×1
3 Motor×4
4 ESC×4
5 Propeller×4
6 Servo×2
7 Flight controller×1(YS-X6 Basic 4 waypoints version + Steadi470 IMU)
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Old Sep 05, 2012, 04:35 PM
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Hi,
I now have a zero UAV
But where do I get the firmware for Quadro X?
Or the controller recognizes that yourself?
Where can I set if I wanted to fly Quad X / +, hexer or Okto?

Thank you:

Alex
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Old Sep 05, 2012, 09:35 PM
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Hi,
I now have a zero UAV
But where do I get the firmware for Quadro X?
Or the controller recognizes that yourself?
Where can I set if I wanted to fly Quad X / +, hexer or Okto?

Thank you:

Alex
If you have the YS-X6, in GCS, when you set it up (tap on Install Guide), there is a number to place in (from the manual). Choose your multirotor setup (ie:X quad, + Quad, hexa etc...) and put that in.

Follow the setup in Install Guide, and should be simple. Do this with no props.
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Old Sep 07, 2012, 09:38 AM
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What is the price for the steady if you already own a ys-x6?
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Old Sep 07, 2012, 10:07 AM
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What is the price for the steady if you already own a ys-x6?
PM already
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Old Sep 15, 2012, 10:33 AM
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hi yes, we will made raw video after our shanghai hobby show soon
and ?
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gondolfier, there is a "raw" video in the other post... well quality is not good, and it seems to be jelly...
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Old Oct 09, 2012, 01:37 PM
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Another big problem of the Zero-steadicam-470 is explained here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=78
The gimbal of the zero can not be tilted in proper way
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Old Dec 02, 2012, 09:38 PM
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Guys, pay attention to the Ecilop policy:
If you copy this principle of camera stabilization, each technical or marketing text related to your product(s) must mention the name of the technology's author and an active link to Ecilop.tv (Camera rotation control by Aleksey Zaitsevsky, Ecilop.tv ).

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The key advantages of Ecilop drones compared to other commercial light multi-copters (the list was compiled at the end of 2011):
1. The use of an onboard battery as a counterweight for the camera unit enhances the stabilization effect.
2. The use of a counterweight enables the implementation of a compact, lightweight and rigid rotation mechanism.
3. The relocation of the battery to the stabilized platform produces a favorable effect on the maneuverability of the drone.
4. Absence of a hard connection with the servo-unit prevents camera jerks and jitter.
5. Adjustable fixtures make it possible to easily obtain accurate balancing of the camera gimbal in three dimensions.
6. Precise balancing of the camera mount makes it possible to use lightweight and fast servo-units.
7. Electronic gyroscopes are installed on the stabilizable part of the camera mount and prevent swaying.
8. Soft shock absorbers suppresses vibrations in a wide range of frequencies.
9. Shock absorbers are installed on the same level with rotation axis, which prevents camera swaying during maneuvering.
10. Onboard electronics is installed on the platform with shock absorbers. The increased weight of the platform makes it more stable.
11. Autopilot accelerometers are better protected from vibrations and therefore produce more accurate results.
12. The matching of the vertical center of mass of the drone with the rotor rotation plane decreases drone swaying during maneuvering.
13. The leaning of rotor blades towards of the drone's center improves stability and widens the camera's viewing angle.
14. The camera is fastened using a lens clamp. This type of fixture is more reliable, compact and weighs less than an underlying platform.

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OK,now I will response to your reasons one by one.

1、The methold using a battery to be a balancer is not a new story.,especialy in the fix wing field. Here is a example,telling you how to use a battery to balance the fuselage of a plane.
The link:http://www.rc-airplane-world.com/bal...airplanes.html
Some words inside:“If the balance does need to be adjusted to get the correct Centre of Gravity, the first thing to do is try moving the battery pack and/or receiver further forward or backward inside the plane. By doing this you are adjusting the balance without adding extra 'dead' weight to the model in the form of ballast.”
Your first reason is :“The use of an onboard battery as a counterweight for the camera unit enhances the stabilization effect.”
Then,can you tell me,is there something very different between balancing a fuselage of a plane and balancing the camera mount when using a battery to be a balancer?
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Old Dec 02, 2012, 09:52 PM
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Guys, pay attention to the Ecilop policy:
If you copy this principle of camera stabilization, each technical or marketing text related to your product(s) must mention the name of the technology's author and an active link to Ecilop.tv (Camera rotation control by Aleksey Zaitsevsky, Ecilop.tv ).

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The key advantages of Ecilop drones compared to other commercial light multi-copters (the list was compiled at the end of 2011):
1. The use of an onboard battery as a counterweight for the camera unit enhances the stabilization effect.
2. The use of a counterweight enables the implementation of a compact, lightweight and rigid rotation mechanism.
3. The relocation of the battery to the stabilized platform produces a favorable effect on the maneuverability of the drone.
4. Absence of a hard connection with the servo-unit prevents camera jerks and jitter.
5. Adjustable fixtures make it possible to easily obtain accurate balancing of the camera gimbal in three dimensions.
6. Precise balancing of the camera mount makes it possible to use lightweight and fast servo-units.
7. Electronic gyroscopes are installed on the stabilizable part of the camera mount and prevent swaying.
8. Soft shock absorbers suppresses vibrations in a wide range of frequencies.
9. Shock absorbers are installed on the same level with rotation axis, which prevents camera swaying during maneuvering.
10. Onboard electronics is installed on the platform with shock absorbers. The increased weight of the platform makes it more stable.
11. Autopilot accelerometers are better protected from vibrations and therefore produce more accurate results.
12. The matching of the vertical center of mass of the drone with the rotor rotation plane decreases drone swaying during maneuvering.
13. The leaning of rotor blades towards of the drone's center improves stability and widens the camera's viewing angle.
14. The camera is fastened using a lens clamp. This type of fixture is more reliable, compact and weighs less than an underlying platform.

Translation of the patent application



To your first reason,the answer is here:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=84

Then next.

2、To a balancer,the tray balance is a good example.It came out in the middle of the nineteenth Century.



Your second reason is:“The use of a counterweight enables the implementation of a compact, lightweight and rigid rotation mechanism.”
Then,please tell me,does your great idea has nothing to do with the working principle of a tray balance?
And then,please tell me:did you copy the great idea of the Steadicam?


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Old Dec 02, 2012, 09:55 PM
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To your first reason,the answer is here:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=84

Then next.

2、To a balancer,the tray balance is a good example.It came out in the middle of the nineteenth Century.



Your second reason is:“The use of a counterweight enables the implementation of a compact, lightweight and rigid rotation mechanism.”
Then,please tell me,does your great idea has nothing to do with the working principle of a tray balance?
And then,please tell me:did you copy the great idea of the Steadicam?


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This thread uses the term “steadicam”, which is wrong. Today, lots of camera mounts are sold under the Steadicam brand. However, the original Steadicam invention is comprised of arms and springs that transfer the weight of the camera onto the operator’s body. A multicopter has no human body and no arms with springs. That is why the use of the term Steadicam in this context is a mistake. Here is an image of the patented Steadicam element:

Garrett Brown is the author of Steadicam. Here is an image from his patent:

Garrett Brown is the author of a number of patents that have a camera with a counterweight, but it’s the additional elements that are patented, not the stabilization principle itself.
This stabilization principle had been known long before Steadicam. Here is an invention from 1931, where the patented object is a system with counterweights:

The patented feature of ECILOP drones is the method of camera rotation that uses springs on a servo gear and the use of a gyroscope for swinging prevention:

________________________________________

P.S. Is it a joke? It is not a "Zero-steadi470":



Couter-balanced camera mount was invented in 1931, Patent US2007215
Steadicam - a human body supported mount, first patent US4017168, year 1977.
Skycam - a cable supported mount, first patent US4625938
Ecilop - camera rotation control (soft connection with a servo plus a gyroscope), first patent LT5816.
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Old Dec 02, 2012, 10:02 PM
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Guys, pay attention to the Ecilop policy:
If you copy this principle of camera stabilization, each technical or marketing text related to your product(s) must mention the name of the technology's author and an active link to Ecilop.tv (Camera rotation control by Aleksey Zaitsevsky, Ecilop.tv ).

You have copied 13/14:
The key advantages of Ecilop drones compared to other commercial light multi-copters (the list was compiled at the end of 2011):
1. The use of an onboard battery as a counterweight for the camera unit enhances the stabilization effect.
2. The use of a counterweight enables the implementation of a compact, lightweight and rigid rotation mechanism.
3. The relocation of the battery to the stabilized platform produces a favorable effect on the maneuverability of the drone.
4. Absence of a hard connection with the servo-unit prevents camera jerks and jitter.
5. Adjustable fixtures make it possible to easily obtain accurate balancing of the camera gimbal in three dimensions.
6. Precise balancing of the camera mount makes it possible to use lightweight and fast servo-units.
7. Electronic gyroscopes are installed on the stabilizable part of the camera mount and prevent swaying.
8. Soft shock absorbers suppresses vibrations in a wide range of frequencies.
9. Shock absorbers are installed on the same level with rotation axis, which prevents camera swaying during maneuvering.
10. Onboard electronics is installed on the platform with shock absorbers. The increased weight of the platform makes it more stable.
11. Autopilot accelerometers are better protected from vibrations and therefore produce more accurate results.
12. The matching of the vertical center of mass of the drone with the rotor rotation plane decreases drone swaying during maneuvering.
13. The leaning of rotor blades towards of the drone's center improves stability and widens the camera's viewing angle.
14. The camera is fastened using a lens clamp. This type of fixture is more reliable, compact and weighs less than an underlying platform.

Translation of the patent application




Your third reaon is:“The relocation of the battery to the stabilized platform produces a favorable effect on the maneuverability of the drone.”
Then I can tell you,there is an older balancer named "Chen".
The Chinese people have used thing thing for more than 1000 years.
Is your idea greater than this little thing?


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Old Dec 02, 2012, 10:16 PM
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Guys, pay attention to the Ecilop policy:
If you copy this principle of camera stabilization, each technical or marketing text related to your product(s) must mention the name of the technology's author and an active link to Ecilop.tv (Camera rotation control by Aleksey Zaitsevsky, Ecilop.tv ).

You have copied 13/14:
The key advantages of Ecilop drones compared to other commercial light multi-copters (the list was compiled at the end of 2011):
1. The use of an onboard battery as a counterweight for the camera unit enhances the stabilization effect.
2. The use of a counterweight enables the implementation of a compact, lightweight and rigid rotation mechanism.
3. The relocation of the battery to the stabilized platform produces a favorable effect on the maneuverability of the drone.
4. Absence of a hard connection with the servo-unit prevents camera jerks and jitter.
5. Adjustable fixtures make it possible to easily obtain accurate balancing of the camera gimbal in three dimensions.
6. Precise balancing of the camera mount makes it possible to use lightweight and fast servo-units.
7. Electronic gyroscopes are installed on the stabilizable part of the camera mount and prevent swaying.
8. Soft shock absorbers suppresses vibrations in a wide range of frequencies.
9. Shock absorbers are installed on the same level with rotation axis, which prevents camera swaying during maneuvering.
10. Onboard electronics is installed on the platform with shock absorbers. The increased weight of the platform makes it more stable.
11. Autopilot accelerometers are better protected from vibrations and therefore produce more accurate results.
12. The matching of the vertical center of mass of the drone with the rotor rotation plane decreases drone swaying during maneuvering.
13. The leaning of rotor blades towards of the drone's center improves stability and widens the camera's viewing angle.
14. The camera is fastened using a lens clamp. This type of fixture is more reliable, compact and weighs less than an underlying platform.

Translation of the patent application



4、
Your fourth reason is:“Absence of a hard connection with the servo-unit prevents camera jerks and jitter..”
Sorry to answero you know something about Electronics?
You bought a lock tail gyro of the Helicopter and use it be a stablizer,but the ZeroUAV is doing another thing.
They use the independent IMU to measure the attitude data of the camer mount,and then feekback the data to the aotopilot,and send out the special stabilizaation signal to stabilize the camner mount.
The two working methold is not the same thing. Between yours and theirs.
Please do not show your poor Electronic knowledge,OK!
The way of the ZeroUAV is a complete solution including Electronic parts and Mechanic parts.But there is only one thing related to the Electronics in your solution:the lock tail gyro of the Helicopter.
But you buy it from other people,right?
You buy something from other and tell everyone that you are the inventor of it?
You are so great!
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Old Dec 02, 2012, 10:40 PM
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4、
Your fourth reason is:“Absence of a hard connection with the servo-unit prevents camera jerks and jitter..”
Sorry to answero you know something about Electronics?
You bought a lock tail gyro of the Helicopter and use it be a stablizer,but the ZeroUAV is doing another thing.
They use the independent IMU to measure the attitude data of the camer mount,and then feekback the data to the aotopilot,and send out the special stabilizaation signal to stabilize the camner mount.
The two working methold is not the same thing. Between yours and theirs.
Please do not show your poor Electronic knowledge,OK!
The way of the ZeroUAV is a complete solution including Electronic parts and Mechanic parts.But there is only one thing related to the Electronics in your solution:the lock tail gyro of the Helicopter.
But you buy it from other people,right?
You buy something from other and tell everyone that you are the inventor of it?
You are so great!


I have to be happy with such a primitive concurrents. But I'm not, because it is boring.
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Old Dec 02, 2012, 11:01 PM
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Guys, pay attention to the Ecilop policy:
If you copy this principle of camera stabilization, each technical or marketing text related to your product(s) must mention the name of the technology's author and an active link to Ecilop.tv (Camera rotation control by Aleksey Zaitsevsky, Ecilop.tv ).

You have copied 13/14:
The key advantages of Ecilop drones compared to other commercial light multi-copters (the list was compiled at the end of 2011):
1. The use of an onboard battery as a counterweight for the camera unit enhances the stabilization effect.
2. The use of a counterweight enables the implementation of a compact, lightweight and rigid rotation mechanism.
3. The relocation of the battery to the stabilized platform produces a favorable effect on the maneuverability of the drone.
4. Absence of a hard connection with the servo-unit prevents camera jerks and jitter.
5. Adjustable fixtures make it possible to easily obtain accurate balancing of the camera gimbal in three dimensions.
6. Precise balancing of the camera mount makes it possible to use lightweight and fast servo-units.
7. Electronic gyroscopes are installed on the stabilizable part of the camera mount and prevent swaying.
8. Soft shock absorbers suppresses vibrations in a wide range of frequencies.
9. Shock absorbers are installed on the same level with rotation axis, which prevents camera swaying during maneuvering.
10. Onboard electronics is installed on the platform with shock absorbers. The increased weight of the platform makes it more stable.
11. Autopilot accelerometers are better protected from vibrations and therefore produce more accurate results.
12. The matching of the vertical center of mass of the drone with the rotor rotation plane decreases drone swaying during maneuvering.
13. The leaning of rotor blades towards of the drone's center improves stability and widens the camera's viewing angle.
14. The camera is fastened using a lens clamp. This type of fixture is more reliable, compact and weighs less than an underlying platform.

Translation of the patent application



5、Then let's check for the overall design of the frame.
Please check the appearance first.




Your fifth reason is:“Adjustable fixtures make it possible to easily obtain accurate balancing of the camera gimbal in three dimensions.”
But many products could do the same thing before your great product came out.
EG:The camera mount of XA.
MANY MANY CAN DO THE SAME THINF!
NOT ONLY YOU!

Then let's check the details.
To see if you did everything better than the ZeroUAV.
Camera tray

①The one from ZeroUAV can be adjusted from left to right.



②The one from ZeroUAV has a special damping mount.




③That of yours,can not be adjusted from left to right,and has no any daming mount.







2)Battery platform
①The one from ZeroUAV can be adjusted in both directions:Holizone and Vertical



②The one from your product can only be adjusted in one direction.

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