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Old Jan 21, 2013, 06:23 PM
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so its still sounding like we can fly for money!!!
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 07:00 PM
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You have made the incorrect assumption that the FAA wants to be bothered regulating small $ AP operations. They don't have the people, desire or budget to do so. It will make their job easier while passifying the AOPA and major suppliers to put insurmountable obstacles in our path. They want to regulate us out of existence just like they wanted to do with sport flying. Sadly we don't have the organization, money or political clout like the AMA has so our future looks very dim. Hate to be negative but the truth isn't always what we want to hear.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 08:02 PM
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There is a definite ring of truth in what you are saying here, xfc3dcd. I was hinting at the same thing when I mentioned that real estate photographers are at the bottom end of the totem pole. This is a very powerful tool that could be used for both good and bad purposes.

All it is going to take is for some little guy to see something he was not supposed to see, and the regulations will change overnight. That already happened in Toronto.
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 11:10 PM
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There are the RCAPA proposed guidelines and insurance is available...

http://wcs_bbs.tripod.com/RCAPAProposal_11-LATEST.pdf
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Old Jan 21, 2013, 11:26 PM
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Looks like lots of money to be made in our future

fly smart and make money
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 10:28 AM
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Pat,

The RCAPA rules make sense, but this is not an exercise in logic. You can take photographs with AP and UAV AP, but you cannot use them. My photographs are of archaeological sites. I can no longer use AP as part of a program with the National Park Service. This is all volunteer work and the images are public property. It is not 'commercial' photography. As I said above the contract is what is forbidden. I fail to understand how the intent of the operator changes the danger to the NAS.

Interestingly, the FAA regs also banned helium filled party balloons. An exception was quickly made to allow them even though they have frequently caused damage to power lines. Obviously WalMart has more influence than RCAPA.

So, has progress been made? Is it possible that we will have an unregulated <4 pound AUW class?

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Old Jan 22, 2013, 11:37 AM
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There are the RCAPA proposed guidelines and insurance is available...

http://wcs_bbs.tripod.com/RCAPAProposal_11-LATEST.pdf
Excellent. I would bump ultralight weight up to 2kg or 5lbs though...(im gonna have to rebuild my bird for 4lbs limit )

Is this a membership organisation? Please more info on AP insurance that you mention.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 11:52 AM
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I agree that 5 lbs would better cover a reasonable camera and lipo, but it's likely to be an even 2kg or 4.4 lbs.

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Old Jan 22, 2013, 02:27 PM
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I agree that 5 lbs would better cover a reasonable camera and lipo, but it's likely to be an even 2kg or 4.4 lbs.

Tom
Right . @ 4 lbs basically you allow only medium size quads & tricopters (no hex or octo) and smaller.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 03:07 PM
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I have been flying AP for a while, and have spoken with the FAA directly.

For those that live in the U.S., be very careful.

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Old Jan 22, 2013, 03:32 PM
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I have been flying AP for a while, and have spoken with the FAA directly.

For those that live in the U.S., be very careful.

Stephen Born
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could you be more clear in the issues you are discussing? I saw your site. Very professional. Surely you have more to say on this issue than "be careful"...
Thats right up there with "they'll be knocking on your door" on the vague threat list.
Facts and personal experience would be more helpful to all the intelligent & already careful readers.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 03:41 PM
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I saw your site. Very professional.
Thank you.

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Absolutely. I have written many articles for national publications. I have also been in contact with the FAA. All of my articles had to be approved by the FAA, as no illegal activity can be published or condoned.

Below is just one example I am referring to. Read the article carefully. Notice the FAA "stamp of approval".

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Old Jan 22, 2013, 03:51 PM
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Agreed, the issue is one of exercising 'due dilligence' before engaging in any activity in the NAS.

Tom.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 07:00 PM
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There are the RCAPA proposed guidelines and insurance is available...

http://wcs_bbs.tripod.com/RCAPAProposal_11-LATEST.pdf
INS wold be awesome!

anyone seen these guys??
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I wonder how they work the contract ???
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 09:13 PM
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Read the article carefully.
Now i'm really confused. This article says I need a full scale pilots license before flying UAV AP ?
Now i havent read everything , but nowhere have i heard this.
In all the attachments in this wonderful thread, nothing mentions a pilot license being a prerequisite for UAV AP.
and this is certainly very interesting because no one I know is aware of this requirement either.
So I can speak clearly about this to others, can you please point me to the rule/law/suggestion/etc that says i need a full scale pilot license for UAV AP like the article claims.
OOPS NO.. not just a full scale license but a COMMERCIAL FULL SCALE LICENSE. I'll wait on the statute but, I dont believe this to be true until i see it.
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