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Old Jul 22, 2012, 06:53 PM
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also, the way copyright/patent law is such that it is a civil matter and applies to each country. lot of countries have laws that are different. that is why DIY copying is not enforced as there is no money to go after for those who care. Even where commercial copying occurs, they can only do cease and desist letters and then lawsuit. Now, i don't condon stealing either, but for DIY, I don't think it really is an issue.

also, if you use a part that you purchase, there really is no permission required from original manufacturer. (ie usage of DJI arms) original purchasing of said item basically give you the right to use as you see fit unless there is a expressly written agreement that denies you the right. (ie, some software has these type of EOLA)
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Old Jul 22, 2012, 07:45 PM
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@ ramboky.
Am going to let this one slide today as you are not worthy of a reply from me.
Go and do your home work.

My unfair violation points has being revoked.
I only hope the site head Admin will find and punishes the Mod who is giving these unfair violation points to forum members based on there own personal judgement and not based on actual forum rules.

And to other members who are receiving these unfair violation points, please do report it to the admin Mr Jim T. Graham is a very honest person.
http://www.rcgroups.com/site-suggestions-complaints-259


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Old Jul 22, 2012, 07:52 PM
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Look up fair use and US copyright law. I just did. There is no issue with a modeler making a hand-made copy of a copyrighted design for his own, non-commercial use. This is exactly what the modelers making a DYI frame copied from the TBS design were doing.
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Old Jul 22, 2012, 09:35 PM
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SO some one closed that thread lol what a crappy thing to do i will prob. get another point for saying crappy again i don't really care the moderation on this forum is a joke its just going to drive good people away

I am sure there are a lot of moderators on here that try to do the right thing but all it takes is a few bad apples to really put a bad taste in our mouth before we say enough is enough...

Like the point i got for saying the word crappy i will prob get another point for it here

I am a member of MANY forums and have never had a point or admin warning on any of them like here i read the rules can crap or crappy is not profanity
Did you appeal the point violation?
If not you should.
This is the only way to bring the bad apples out from the dark barn and into the sunshine so we and the head Admins all can see their faces.
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Old Jul 22, 2012, 09:41 PM
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the grand canyon national park service passed 2 laws in response to trappy.
The Grand Canyon National Park Service thought they had existing laws to cover RC aircraft. When they discovered they didn't they amended the laws. However, this doesn't mean the same as "This is the same guy TBS who help banned RC flying in the USA.". Not even close. Though that sentence is barely comprehensible anyway.

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What does copyright have to do with getting forum violations?
Copyright was mentioned in the OP. I didn't mean to suggest it had anything to do with forum violations.

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Look up fair use and US copyright law. I just did. There is no issue with a modeler making a hand-made copy of a copyrighted design for his own, non-commercial use. This is exactly what the modelers making a DYI frame copied from the TBS design were doing.
You and Jab are both right though, private, non-commercial copying of industrial design does appear to be perfectly legitimate in the US. And to varying degrees in most other countries too. I was wrong.

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@ ramboky.
Am going to let this one slide today as you are not worthy of a reply from me.
Go and do your home work.
Yours was the fourth post I'd read today by someone demonizing Trappy as the death of FPV using half truths or misinformation so perhaps my response was excessive. But like so many others here you're quite happy to keep repeating the same garbage without checking the actual facts for yourself. I did my homework, you just copied someone else's.

That aside, I'm not for a second saying you deserved any infraction points. The moderation system on RCG is bloody absurd and seems to be used almost entirely as a sly and underhanded way to silence people. It's what's led to the steady decline of the FPV forum here and the rapid growth of other forums where people can actually disagree with each other without getting banned.
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Old Jul 23, 2012, 02:26 AM
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You and Jab are both right though, private, non-commercial copying of industrial design does appear to be perfectly legitimate in the US. And to varying degrees in most other countries too. I was wrong.
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Hat's off to you. This is perhaps the most mature reply to a discussion I have seen in a multicopter thread the last 6 months.
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Old Jul 23, 2012, 02:49 AM
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The Grand Canyon National Park Service thought they had existing laws to cover RC aircraft. When they discovered they didn't they amended the laws. However, this doesn't mean the same as "This is the same guy TBS who help banned RC flying in the USA.". Not even close. Though that sentence is barely comprehensible anyway.


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I agree with you, completely. And I also have no aggression towards trappy.

Just pointing out that Trappy may not have gotten all FPV banned in the US. But he did get 2 laws banning RC flight in certain areas which will/does affect us. So hexa was over exaggerating.... But not 100% wrong.
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Old Jul 23, 2012, 05:33 AM
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i don't understand you guys.
I thought forum was to getting or giving help for fellas. No, sorry it's for making money...

So if you don't make money with this forum, why do you bother about warning point or bannishment?

my point: KCUF this forum! Mod can ban me, i don't care! I know the system: you start serving people and then you try to enslave people like facebook.

I'm a REBEL! hey Adidas, you remember i get a warning point because of you... LOL
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Old Jul 23, 2012, 07:27 AM View Post
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Old Jul 23, 2012, 07:58 AM
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After calculating the equation
All I can come up with is
1: The member is a mod using a different user name other than his mod user name.
Or 2: The member is a close friend of the mod who is giving these unfair violation point.

If one type some thing that offends them or him and there is no way to infract a member by the post, they then rampage through your past post seeking for some thing to report you on.
If they still don't find any dirt they end up sending false violation Points.
Very lame. Lol

I have proof as it has be done to me more than once.

I mention before am not the greatest with the English language but I do hold a phd in psychology, A star.
I do know how the mind ticks.

And all I can say this negative behaviour among us need to end.
we should be able to disagree and banter lightly without taking things to a next level.
Treat or reply to a person the same way you would like to be replied to.

Negativity can never out shine positivity.
And too much negativity in a mans system will harm him faster than cigarets does. ( no offence about cigaret smoking am smoker as well)
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Old Jul 23, 2012, 08:13 AM
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@ Tbs
Dude I have no thing against you other than the New York thing
I was one of them who posted on your YouTube link asking you to pull the video few days after.
As you knew Ny city is very sensitive. A Video like that do send some good thrills to some and
Also did woke up paranoia to some.

I did discussed this on other forum and I did noticed USA pass new rc law few days after.

Any way man I have nothing against you. Am more fighting these unfair points violation some members are receiving from mods.

And yep it is great that your idea frame style has inspire some to copy it for there own personal use.
That's what's the hobby is about.
You start some thing the other guy picked it up add to it, improve it and so on. Evolution.
Take it easy man.
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Old Jul 23, 2012, 08:24 AM
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Well in that case don't you think an apology is in order to Trappy? Or would you enjoy being made responsible for something you had no part in? Are you going to continue to spread these lies? and if yes, what is your motivation to do so?
I do apologise if my statement sounds a bit exaggerating.
But not on the fact that tour NY Stunt did motivate the USA to implement sertain restrict in the USA.

What is done is done. Can't fix
We live and learn every day happy the man who learn from his mistakes.
Take it easy.
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Old Jul 23, 2012, 08:28 AM
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As said before this thread is not about you or your stunts and what you did you knew what you did was wrong so don't come here trying to prove any.

If you like, pm me a link of other forum and I may reply there.
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