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Old Oct 30, 2012, 04:32 AM
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Sadly no - it was done on my work computer without proper graphics tools so it's all raster. I do have a much larger raster though if that's any help? I'm presuming you want vector so you can resize it large - shouldn't be an issue with the larger raster unless you're looking for something bigger than A3
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Old Nov 02, 2012, 09:26 AM
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I've done one other logo in a spare minute - this one is a more discreet monochrome 'silhouette against the moon' kind of thing. I'll use it if the other clashes with my colour scheme.

Still the wind blows and the maiden flight looks far away...
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Old Nov 02, 2012, 09:51 AM
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Man that is VERY Cool and easy to put on a wing !!

As light as you built yours go fly it in a big gymnasium or other indoor venue. If someone has a light bulb on yours will thermal over it !!!
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Old Nov 02, 2012, 10:20 AM
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As light as you built yours go fly it in a big gymnasium or other indoor venue. If someone has a light bulb on yours will thermal over it !!!
Now there's a thought - trouble is this is the UK and I live in the countryside, rather than central London - the biggest indoor venues round me are cow sheds....and they contain hooves and horns
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Old Nov 02, 2012, 08:16 PM
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Sent you a quick PM

Paul ill have something small in the mail shortly.
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Old Nov 03, 2012, 07:24 PM
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Guys, just setting up and not being up to speed on the airfoils used here, I'm presuming flap reflex for spoilerons is a good idea?

(Oh, Casey - you have a PM mate)
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Old Nov 03, 2012, 08:06 PM
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I think Pauls setup is on his little blog thing detailing the FF build.

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Old Nov 04, 2012, 07:28 PM
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Guys, just setting up and not being up to speed on the airfoils used here, I'm presuming flap reflex for spoilerons is a good idea?

(Oh, Casey - you have a PM mate)
Nope.... At least not without a rudder

Zero trailing edge for launch
2-8mm down gap measured from the fixed trailing edge for quick cruise - slow normal. More than that and you are starting to ride the brakes..
40-60 degrees of flap for braking if you can manage to get the travel.

The trouble with spoilerons is that the plane mushes out and drops; as forward momentum is lost, control is compromised. With flaps the plane slows without dumping altitude, and the option to speed up is still there by letting the flaps up. Control at low speed without a rudder takes practice... Good method to let the flaps up a little if you really need to turn.
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Old Nov 04, 2012, 07:55 PM
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anyone care to give me a quick explanation of what flap reflex actually is?
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Old Nov 04, 2012, 08:58 PM
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Reflex is the opposite of camber. in other words movement of the "flaps" to a position above the normal trailing edge setting of the wing.

How the wing cores are cut will ultimately define wether or not you need such a setting. If the wings foils are formed in cruise trim (camber) then you will need a reflex setting for launch. The setup is different from ship to ship.

Paul forms the foil in speed mode, so a reflexed position is not required; it is so to speak " built in".
This is done to minimize the drag on launch, by having the trailing edge gap free to the ailerons.

Hope that un muddies the waters
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Old Nov 04, 2012, 10:10 PM
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Excellent, Thanks Nate!
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 07:53 AM
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Nater did a good job explaining all of this but I can get a bit more detailed. Currently I am flying the following set-up

Drop the flaps to a 6mm gap and then set your elevator to get a smooth glide with a CG of 68mm. Once that is established that is your base line. This is for basic flying around or heading somewhere with a medium speed and the least amount of drop.

3-4mm more drop is you float mode and I do use it quite a bit. If I am in lift or just floating around in very light air.

Now bounce the flaps back to even with the trailing edge. In that same menu give your elevator just enough up to keep the plane from diving out of the sky. You are looking for good speed with no tendency to dive into the ground. This is now your speed mode and can be used as is for launching when a steep climb out is not desired.

I have a launch pre-set I use when I want to climb hard and it is just a few clicks of up on the elevator set on a spring switch. On my JR I removed the normal GEAR switch and put in a small push button switch. I believe I am running about 6% for a launch preset.

James, your plane is lighter than the two I am currently flying but all of this still applies. You should probably leave your CG a little more forward than I am running because you are so light.

Paul
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Old Nov 05, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Thanks guys, really useful and cheers for the extra details Paul/Nate - I know you provided most earlier posts. So big thanks guys!

I'm running an old 9Z WC2 (never needed or wanted more than this cracking little radio). I intend to run flaps from the left side slider - this'll be set as a flap trim rather than a full control. I'll then run 4 conditions with delay - speed, cruise, float and brake. These will be set with 2 switches so I can optimise them and then I can trim around that position with the left slider. I usually have 5 conditions on my other sailplanes - the extra is an 'all else has failed, boomer dump' condition that usually is either butterfly/crow or spoilers & spoilerons (reflexed ailerons). It's not pretty but less stressy than a dive and has saved my butt a few times when I couldn't get a flat spin at altitude; you just have to be patient and fly the dot to a different part of the sky, whilst trying not to panic over the variometer beeps .

I'm going to put the launch control (elevator) on the rudder stick (I fly Mode 2, rudder/throttle to left) rather than the moment spring switch, it has proved pretty good on my Alula once you have the hang of it, and allows a good launch grip but with some proportional control of the elevator if required. I'm presuming this'll hold true for proper DLGs

That's the plan anyway.
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Old Nov 06, 2012, 07:02 PM
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Well damn Paul, my planes tuned all sorts of messed up!

What throws are you running now?? I'm going to re-balance it and reset my throws again.
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Old Nov 06, 2012, 10:29 PM
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Just chuck it and fly it Dude !! Wait on the new ships to start sweating all the new details.

Paul
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