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Old Aug 08, 2012, 02:33 PM
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I am very sorry, I'm sure you are one of the many people that are happy with the quality of these little planes and thrilled with the lack of work to get into the air with one. I on the other hand feel they can create a better product for the money they are asking for these items.
I did a very nice review on another site on the AeroWorks Extra 260 E. An outstanding little plane with some quality built in. It isn't the normal useless little toy that requires replacing after a hard landing.
Some people are happy with this low end garbage being imported, my grandson is one of them but he is only 6 and easy to impress.
If you can operate a screw driver you can add floats to almost any plane you like, {even the little toy planes. Good luck with your endeavors.

Thank you. I actually build models for a living for a large aerospace company, design and build my own R/C models some of the time and enjoy good ARFS as well. I even enjoy some of the imperfect and problematic ARFs as it is fun to improve them on my own. I have attached a picture of my original design Be-200 since you seem to only respect those that can build... All balsa, hand drawn plans, no laser cutting, no vac formed plastic, no carbon fiber, no fiberglass.

Like you said, not all ARFs are junk. Some are definitely better than others, even though you characterized all of them as junk in your first post.

I actually think we pretty much get what we pay for in an ARF. If we were willing to pay more for quality, there would be more quality ARFs out there for us to buy. Some of the inexpensive ARFs are easy to improve with better equipment, a repaint or slight rebuildng and are still a bargain after the upgrade. I have also attached a picture of my inexpensive Dynam PBY that I upgraded with some aftermarket parts from parkflyerplastics.com and a new paint job.

Some folks have to put down what other people like in order to feel better about themselves... I, for one, would not judge a person based on their likes or dislikes when it comes to models. I would also not judge their modeling abilities, skills or intelligence based on what they like.
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Old Aug 15, 2012, 05:17 PM
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One reason that you will not likely see any Parkzone ARFs of WWII seaplane warbirds is that the market is simply not all that large. And the aircraft are not as popular as normal WWII fighter warbirds. For every active electric seaplane, there are probably 200-500 active non-seaplane models.

The manufacturers will simply sell more normal warbirds than they will ever sell of the more obsure types like the Kingfisher and the Arado 196. Popularity drives the market.

There are a few exceptions, but not for fighter type seaplanes. To me it makes perfect sense to release popular seaplanes like the Widgeon and the Catalina. These are popular in their own right, whereas the Vought Kingfisher is simply not much pursued by the average modeler.

Even a modeler of limited skills could figure out how to gen up a version of the Wildcatfish, the F4F on floats that was built in WWII, using commercially available twin floats. Same thing for the Spitfire on floats.

I do have a GWS Zero stashed away to eventually convert to a Rufe, with a carved foam float.

There are a few exceptions out there. Maxford USA did an interesting Hansa Brandenburg WWI Seaplane ARF, but it is currently out of stock. It is a little pricey and not foam. Maxford kits can be a little problematic, as well.

http://www.maxfordusa.com/hansabrandenburgw29.aspx

PS. the Rufe and the Zero was made by Mitsubishi, not Nakajima...

Not correct. The float version was Nakajima all the way and they also built the lion's share of carrier/land based Zeros- 6,217, to Mitsubishi's 3,879.
THe original design and production of the carrier fighter was by Mitsubishi (Jiro Horikoshi designer), but Nakajima built the majority, including the 327 Rufe float planes, which was solely their development of the basic design.

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Old Aug 15, 2012, 07:03 PM
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Not correct. The float version was Nakajima all the way and they also built the lion's share of carrier/land based Zeros- 6,217, to Mitsubishi's 3,879.
THe original design and production of the carrier fighter was by Mitsubishi (Jiro Horikoshi designer), but Nakajima built the majority, including the 327 Rufe float planes, which was solely their development of the basic design.

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True enough, but 98% of the genetic material came from Mitsubishi. A goodly number of references still refer to it as a Mitsubishi A6M2-N Rufe, built by Nakajima.
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True enough, but 98% of the genetic material came from Mitsubishi. A goodly number of references still refer to it as a Mitsubishi A6M2-N Rufe, built by Nakajima.

All design and development of the float version was by Nakajima, production as well. That pretty well seals it as a Nakajima aircraft. The Japanese themselves refered to it as such.
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I'm giving the Rufe an attempt by bashing the GWS Zero kit. I'm planning to blog the build here.
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