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Old Jan 15, 2013, 09:30 AM
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Anyone managed to fly one without crashing?
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 09:56 AM
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No crashes here yet. Got the chance to fly in the local dome indoors this weekend for the first time. Up until then all flying was done outside. Despite the high speed stall no unplanned contact with the ground. Yet...
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 10:50 AM
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No crashes, and no high speed stalls yet, either. I'll have to take her 3 mistakes high and try it out though. I fly my scale planes scale. If I want to make square turns in the sky, I use my Stryker180. (Edit: That's not my condemnation of those that don't fly their scale planes in a scale manner, just saying that's how I fly, so maybe that's why I haven't experienced the stall maybe.) But I'll try for a high speed stall next time I fly out of curiosity.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 11:10 AM
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SP,

Yup! I've got about 10 hrs on mine with no crashes (so far), and I always bring her in nose-high on approach, with the elevator stick nearly all the way back at touchdown. However - I tend to stay away from higher-risk maneuvers such as inverted passes @ 5' AGL. I also fly her from our club's 250' asphalt strip, so I have way more than enough room. Oh - and I don't bang the sticks, so I have never experienced a high-speed stall with the MiG. The MiG responds best to smooth & fluid stick movements. She does not respond well to abrupt, stick-banging-style inputs. Energy-management is the key with this plane. As you know from your glider experience, energy-management requires a light touch on the sticks.

Joel
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 11:15 AM
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No crashes, and no high speed stalls yet, either. I'll have to take her 3 mistakes high and try it out though. I fly my scale planes scale. If I want to make square turns in the sky, I use my Stryker180. (Edit: That's not my condemnation of those that don't fly their scale planes in a scale manner, just saying that's how I fly, so maybe that's why I haven't experienced the stall maybe.) But I'll try for a high speed stall next time I fly out of curiosity.
The stalls on this little Mig get out of hand real quick. It will drop a wing faster than you can blink. That is probably the only negative trait this plane has though!

I've only had two very minor crashes. One was experimenting with a large battery and it was so nose heavy that on landing it dug in and flipped. The other was a late crosswind gust when I was <2ft off the ground on approach that cartwheeled it.

-Brian
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 02:40 PM
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I've stalled it, but by cutting the throttle and gradually pulling elevator trying to maintain altitude to see where she stalls. It's my usual 'how slow can it go?' testing high above the ground. And yes, I agree, when it stalls, it goes quick!
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 02:54 PM
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Anyone managed to fly one without crashing?
I have had no crashes on most of my flights.

Then 2 weeks ago I briefly lost sight of it in the sun and behind a tree that was close to me(I should have been standing in a better spot). The plane got farther down range than I thought and took the top of the tail off on a collision with a power line.

Then on the first or second flight after that repair. I was trying to trim the elevator out on the fixed tail and ran into a light pole at a pretty healthy speed(seriously what are the odds of doing that, they take up so little space it would have been hard to hit if I tried the distance I was standing from it). Well anyway I am now waiting on new wings and a new tail since I lost the control horn on the rudder and the wings when reattached weren't anything even resembling straight.

Realize that I had had the plane for 2 months before that flying it regularly and not significantly damaged it at all. Even on the flight were it decided that its battery was a droppable tank mid flight. Hopefully whatever hex was placed on the Mig has passed by the time the parts arrive and I get it fixed.

On a side note the Mig, as opposed to my other airplanes, gets by far the best reaction from random people that are passing by watching me fly and/or family members that came out and watched over the holidays.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 03:02 PM
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Anyone managed to fly one without crashing?
One crash, one time I hit a tree but it kept on flying, no damage and then one tip stall I was able to recover from.
I got mine in the second production run.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 03:06 PM
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One time I got near some trees, panicked, resort to heavy thumbs in my desperation and stalled one after the other losing all control, barely missed all the trees, even when panicking don't be heavy on the sticks!
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 03:08 PM
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Wow. That sounds like it was a close one.


You know your mig is getting old when one of the elevator pushrods breaks.....
I had to fix it by running a paperclip between the two elevator halfs to join them.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 03:45 PM
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I only crash mine once per flight. Never more. I find it reckless to crash twice on the same flight without at first inspecting the damage and re-launching. Occassionally I will fly mine without a crash, but only when I'm not trying to learn new ways to crash it.

My learning curve over the past two years is very similar to the curve you get with this thing at full throttle, downslope, with sudden hard elevator input.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 03:49 PM
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....You know your mig is getting old when one of the elevator pushrods breaks.....
LOL

That happened to mine a few days ago. (Rude tree branch!)

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Old Jan 15, 2013, 04:01 PM
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......My learning curve over the past two years is very similar to the curve you get with this thing at full throttle, downslope, with sudden hard elevator input.
WWU,

Could be a lot worse! At least it's not similar to what you'd get with this thing at full throttle, downslope - with no elevator input!

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Old Jan 15, 2013, 04:03 PM
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Not one single crash here either. Still look brand new, even the tail!!! But it's my UM with the less flights (less than 150 I think, too lazy to check the logbook). And most of my flights are usually straight flights, very low, but nothing fancy. I just like how well this bird fly and how well it keep a straight line at high speed. And I also use a bigger runway everytime I fly it (street or large runway). I use all my other birds for the fancy stuff (and trust me, those have "visited" the ground more often I wished for.

So, looking at the overall results here, it does look like the Mig is a lucky bird! (again, it's not a 3D bird, and luck may have nothing to do with it). What's funny is the fact that in my case, I truly wanted the receiver, not the airplane (it was the first programmable receiver), and I was thinking: "as soon as I crash it a few time, I'm pulling the receiver out". I have many large EDFs, so I didn't really care for a small one. Well, still no rush to take it out. I like my little EDF!
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 04:04 PM
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Quick stalls with AS3X

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The stalls on this little Mig get out of hand real quick. It will drop a wing faster than you can blink. That is probably the only negative trait this plane has though!

I've only had two very minor crashes. One was experimenting with a large battery and it was so nose heavy that on landing it dug in and flipped. The other was a late crosswind gust when I was <2ft off the ground on approach that cartwheeled it.

-Brian
I've flown the little Mig a lot, with only one crash. I was making a sweeping left hand turn into final to land and the plane did a rapid tip stall into terra firma. I believe the problem is related to the very stable flight image the plane presents, right up to the point where it stalls. This is pronounced in a turn if you don't maintain sufficient airspeed. I have flown a couple of planes with the Guardian stabilizer and experienced similar effects. The stabilization holds the plane steady right up to the stall, masking its onset, then......bam. I recommend keeping the speed up on this plane until you are close to ground effect, then raise the nose and let her settle in. The AS3X can give a false sense of security around the stall speed which can be scary if you roll into a turn. BTW - I used the hot water solution on the nose with excellent results. I have also decided not to fly the Mig in the HS gym where we fly on Friday nights because of the limited space. It is far and away, however, the best UMX I have flown outdoors. I haven't flown the SBach but just ordered the AS3X Spitfire at the LHS today. I have the Champ, Cub, T28, Corsair, Mosquito, 4Site and PlayMate UMX planes in addition to the Mig.
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