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Old Jun 21, 2012, 11:20 AM
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Lots of questions here, so here goes.

1 Fan or 2:
I think it will fly fine on one 90mm, but as I said before, my kits are very modifiable. A second fan can be easily added.

Panel Lines & Rivets:

The best results is to use my panel line tape after the LS2 stage. Details are at http://www.wowplanes.com/product_inf...roducts_id=172

I draw the panel line locations with pencil or a Sharpie using a flexible straight edge made from a flexible sheet of plastic. Then I add the tape using the pencil lines as a guide.

Then I lay the rivets down next to the panel line using the rivet templates I sell. Details at http://www.wowplanes.com/product_inf...roducts_id=181

Then I spray 1 coat of hi-build primer over the whole plane, and an extra coat around the panel lines. Once the primer has dried, I remove the panel line tape leaving a groove that looks like a recessed panel line, or leave it in place for a raised panel line effect

Easy to do and can be done in a couple of hours. Now I am ready for the final paint scheme. See the results in the pics below.

LS2:
1 set of LS2 should be enough for this size jet. I prefer brushing it on because spray requires special spray equipment and breathing apparatus. Not everybody is set up for that. Using a disposable foam brush does a great job. See my online tutorial at http://www.wowplanes.com/product_inf...roducts_id=130

Canopy:

I am thinking of including the clear canopy because not everybody has the equipment to make one from a foam plug. The principle I use in doing my kits is to provide everything that cannot be purchased from a Hobby Shop.
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 11:21 AM
Carbon fiber is our friend
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If this is going to be cnc cut foam, why not offer more than one size? Should be easy except for needing another canopy.
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 11:57 AM
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If this is going to be cnc cut foam, why not offer more than one size? Should be easy except for needing another canopy.
As you may know, cost is directly proportional to the number of variants. I am trying to keep cost down.
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 12:01 PM
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+1- make it affordable for us cheapo flyers
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 02:21 PM
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As you may know, cost is directly proportional to the number of variants. I am trying to keep cost down.
I thought the main work would be in getting the cad files for "T-38 like" shapes. After that I thought you could size them however you like and the cnc cutter would do it's thing. I've only used a cnc cutter for doing wings though. It sounds like you may be planning just one run of parts, in which case it saves time to cut a bunch of the same thing at once.
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 04:15 PM
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I thought the main work would be in getting the cad files for "T-38 like" shapes. After that I thought you could size them however you like and the cnc cutter would do it's thing. I've only used a cnc cutter for doing wings though. It sounds like you may be planning just one run of parts, in which case it saves time to cut a bunch of the same thing at once.
I used to cut a batch, but with the number of models I have and growing, storage space was becoming a problem. I work out of my home.
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 04:33 PM
Fly more Foam
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Yes he is! Fahim is a one person operation and does EVERYTHING so to speak.
I believe the most practicle way to start is with ONE airframe, ONE size for the intended power source.
CNC does have its advantages but when scaling up to a different size opens the issues of construction techniques that come along with changing sizes of even the same CAD drawn airframe, not to mention the limits of the availible CNC platform in use.
Ask Falcon5, aka Andy on how his construction would differ if he would take the current build down to the size we are proposing.
As the saying goes, "A whole other can of worms!"
The ball is rolling on this so lets see what comes from Wowplanes before we start throwing in different sizes, cockpits and what have you.

Maybe AirSally might work with Fahim on ducts if they might be needed????????? The tail section with the 90-100mm fan will be fairly small and an internal duct might be of use to give rigidy and stiffness if needed. Still a few details to work out but at least we are rolling.

Have you noticed the views and reply counts and this thread isnt even a week yet.

Foam On! ...........someone else has credit for that saying!
Sam
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 04:41 PM
Hey Guys, Watch This.......
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I'm willing to put up a deposit on a airframe once a price is set in stone.
Mike.
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 05:01 PM
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Good idea. I'd be willing to do the same if required. I bet others would do that too.
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 05:07 PM
deltas are cool
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yes i would be willing to tool up and make the ducts ...maybe a bifurcated tailpipe also .just need a fuse so i can carve some plugs.
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 05:24 PM
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Man with A/S ducts this would be one sweeeet bird!!!
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 06:28 PM
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Thank you guys for your vote of confidence. I will let you know if I need a deposit, once I have the first cuts done.
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Old Jun 21, 2012, 10:00 PM
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I'm willing to put up a deposit on a airframe once a price is set in stone.
Mike.
Same here!
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Old Jun 23, 2012, 06:24 AM
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i,mvery interested in a kit myself. Phil
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Old Jun 23, 2012, 07:12 AM
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Update:

I have been busy working on the fuselage. First cut turned out good but I am not fully satisfied. Second cut this weekend. The fuse is usually the most complex and takes several tries to get it right. The T38 does have many compound curves, making it a real challenge.

Stay tuned. Hope to have some pics soon.

Fahim
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