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Old Jun 12, 2012, 01:44 PM
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Why do airplanes take off in to the wind? - news article

Pretty funny in a sad sort of way

http://travelkit.msnbc.msn.com/_news...-the-wind?lite
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 02:15 PM
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I'll go crawl into a corner and cry now.
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 02:36 PM
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That hurts my heart. I feel so bad about education in the US.

I saw an episode of "the Tonight Show" where Jay Leno asked an African American woman on the street who won the US Civil War. Her response, "Unfortunately, the south did."
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 04:39 PM
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WOW just WOW, I think I'm going to go pound my head into the side of the wall now..
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 04:59 PM
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I don't see what's so funny. The gun analogy doesn't really seem relevant, but that doesn't make it funny or sad.
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 05:21 PM
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I don't see what's so funny. The gun analogy doesn't really seem relevant, but that doesn't make it funny or sad.
for me its sad, first paragraph the writer indicates that he has no brain Not sure why you have to be a famous pilot to have common sense...

By Sean O'Neill, Condé Nast Traveler
Now we’re no famous pilots, but it seems so counterintuitive: Wouldn't a pilot have an easier time if, instead of rushing into the gale, the wind were coming from behind the aircraft — giving it a push, so to speak? We remember what happened a few months ago in Spain when fierce winds at Bilbao’s Internatinal Loiu Aiport made planes wobble dramatically during takeoffs and landings. We asked scientists to break it down for us.

and the fact that the math is wrong...

In short, pilots like to take off into a headwind because it helps them achieve "wheels up" faster. "A jetliner like a Boeing 747, needs at least 150 mph of airspeed to become airborne," says Gudmundsson. "Without wind, the plane has to accelerate to a groundspeed of 180 mph to lift off, but when you have a 30 mph headwind, the plane only has to accelerate to 150 mph, thanks to the extra boost it gets from the headwind."
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 05:34 PM
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for me its sad, first paragraph the writer indicates that he has no brain Not sure why you have to be a famous pilot to have common sense...

In short, pilots like to take off into a headwind because it helps them achieve "wheels up" faster. "A jetliner like a Boeing 747, needs at least 150 mph of airspeed to become airborne," says Gudmundsson. "Without wind, the plane has to accelerate to a groundspeed of 180 mph to lift off, but when you have a 30 mph headwind, the plane only has to accelerate to 150 mph, thanks to the extra boost it gets from the headwind."
The author didn't make the error. The person he interviewed did. He wasn't writing a technical guide on how to compute the airspeed, he just made a mistake while speaking. Chill out.

Also, the question is fair. This is an article on a travel site. Why would an average traveler even know this? They don't have to know it. It doesn't benefit them to know it. As far as a traveler is concerned, it really doesn't matter because they still get to where they are going more or less on time. It seems like a fair question to me. If it seems like a dumb question, then maybe it's because you expect the random schmoe to know something about aerodynamic theory?

If a public school curriculum even mentions it at all, they don't spend more than an hour on the subject over a student's career.
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 05:45 PM
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All I know is that I can run faster downwind than upwind.
If I shoot a gun at someone behind me the recoil will make me run even faster.

Article makes perfect sense...
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 05:50 PM
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if the question is fair, yet no one needs to know it then why do it? that makes no sense at all. it doesnt take a genius to understand that you need to run into the wind to get a kite to fly instead of downwind does it? 10 yr olds figure it out in 2 minutes.
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 06:08 PM
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It's MSNBC!!!
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 06:24 PM
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So if I run really fast while holding a flashlight with the light projecting straight ahead, does it make the light go faster???

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Old Jun 12, 2012, 06:27 PM
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So if I run really fast while holding a flashlight with the light projecting straight ahead, does it make the light go faster???

No silly, there's no recoil in a flashlight.
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 06:29 PM
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So if I run really fast while holding a flashlight with the light projecting straight ahead, does it make the light go faster???

only if your running down a hill with the wind! then yes
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 06:40 PM
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No silly, there's no recoil in a flashlight.
Maybe it's an .88 Magnum flashlight
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 06:45 PM
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So if I run really fast while holding a flashlight with the light projecting straight ahead, does it make the light go faster???

only if your running down a hill with the wind! then yes
So relatively speaking, I *can* add my speed to the speed of light as long as I'm running downhill with the wind? Awesome!

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