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Old Jun 12, 2012, 07:54 PM
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Jim,

Nice build of a great subject, I'll be watching your build.

I've always loved the 17.

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Old Jun 12, 2012, 09:11 PM
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So, brazed wire superstructure with a wood gondola and Silver Silkspan for a covering with sealed with lacquer.
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Old Jun 12, 2012, 10:27 PM
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Pete,

Been working on the bottom wings. The root rib does not show any slant on the plans. Does the N17 have any dihedral on the bottom wings? I thought that it did similar to the wings on a Camel.

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Old Jun 12, 2012, 10:37 PM
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Just googled up Callie Graphics and lo and behold, they already have a set of markings for Rawlings' N17 from Flyboys. That was just the one I was thinking of doing. I have never used their stuff before. What are they made from and will they look right on painted fabric?

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Old Jun 12, 2012, 11:18 PM
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Callies markings are very thin vinyl. While they don't look painted on from up close, they are fantastic quality. I am using them on a Sopwith Triplane and I think they look great.
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Old Jun 13, 2012, 12:34 AM
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Aw come on, a Zepplin filled with helium and electric motors-real cool
But helium is an inert gas that will not burn. Where's the fun in that?

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Old Jun 13, 2012, 01:57 AM
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Well, inhaling it and talking like you are a Munchkin can be fun...
Figured it it was going down in flames I would use a wire structure I could recover...

You know with flying doghouses and lawnmowers maybe I was overthinking the build...another approach wouldn't be scale but could be more whimsical...flat cross section 2 axis fuse design like fanfold or flat plate designs... hmmmm
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Old Jun 13, 2012, 02:48 AM
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Oh dear, what have I started?

Jim,
Yes, the ribs should lean in. That's why the amount of dihedral is marked on the plan, so you can pack up the wing before fitting the root rib.

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Just googled up Callie Graphics and lo and behold, they already have a set of markings for Rawlings' N17 from Flyboys. That was just the one I was thinking of doing. I have never used their stuff before. What are they made from and will they look right on painted fabric?

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Jim
Callie's N17 graphics were mde for the Pat Tritle version (42") so should work fine.

They adhere to just about any surface, but, if you apply over paint be very careful as the backing will pull up all but the toughest paint.

After applying i spray over them with some matte clear Krylon.

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Oh dear, what have I started?

Jim,
Yes, the ribs should lean in. That's why the amount of dihedral is marked on the plan, so you can pack up the wing before fitting the root rib.

Pete
Just took another look at the plans and you are right as always. The plans do say to have 1/2" dihedral at the strut rib but there are not any notes about leaning in the root rib.

So I goofed. Too late for me now anyway as I have already glued them in at 90 degrees and added the 1/16 sheeting. But I can sand the angle in to the root rib with my bench sander. The two ribs on the end, R1 and R2 are so short it would be hard to glue the rib at an angle anyway.

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Callie's N17 graphics were mde for the Pat Tritle version (42") so should work fine.

They adhere to just about any surface, but, if you apply over paint be very careful as the backing will pull up all but the toughest paint.

After applying i spray over them with some matte clear Krylon.

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Charlie,

Callie offers them in several different sizes including 1/8 scale. Do you think the 1/8 scale would be the correct ones to order for this model?

Also, I have used several sets of Major Decals brand decals from Tower Hobbies and they are described as pressure sensitive peel and stick decals. They have worked very well. Are Callie's decals similar?


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Callie's are "peel and stick" with a little difference. She puts on a 'backing' (really it's on the top of the graphic) to hold everything in place.

You peel off the backing, apply some windex and slide into position. Squeegee out most of the liquid, then peel off the 'top', leaving the graphic on the plane. Then squeegee again to set everything in place. (PS, I'd get a couple of extra graphics to practice with before using the ones on your plane, there is kind of a 'feel' for it)

40" is 1/8 scale, so yes.

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Old Jun 13, 2012, 09:55 PM
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Never used windex but I did always put water with dish liquid on the model before applying the decals to aid in locating them. Then squeegee out the water. Callie's sounds a lot like the decal designs we use in the automobile industry. The top backing is used to space out a group of design elements like lettering so that the spacing stays even when applied to the vehicle.

Now I need to locate a pilot. What is Sparky's website? Does he have any WW1 1/8 size pilots?

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Old Jun 13, 2012, 10:19 PM
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Jim,

It is exactly like the automotive stuff.

Sparky does, but, you have to figure it out on your own. His rule is to determine the width of the pilot you need and then pick from what he has. Can't remember what I used in the past.

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Old Jun 13, 2012, 10:46 PM
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The tape is a carrier for the graphics like Charlie explained...it is called transfer tape, at least the vinyl sign shops I've dealt with called it that. Callie does great work, I had her make me a markings set for a 30 in Hurricane by Adrian Brittan, RIP. They turned out great and were for Czech ace "Night Reaper" J-XE code...
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