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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:44 PM
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There was every reason in the world for CostCo to call in the police if there was an armed individual on their premises causing or being part of a disturbance. Your "police state" comment is quite interesting though.
What? The employee was the one causing and being part of a disturbance. Once the employee disengaged, Erik was no longer 'disturbing;' he was a shopper.

The 'police state' comment is partially valid where LV is concerned.

Had the employee not approached Erik, there wouldn't have been ANY disturbance.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:46 PM
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That is like saying that the SS reviewed the actions at Aushwietz and found them justified and honoured those in charge for it.
ARE YOU SERIOUS????????

You've jumped the shark by bringing the Nazi's into this. I now discount all of your arguments.


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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:48 PM
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Leave your gone at home or keep it hidden...unless your're looking for trouble.
Right or wrong, that's the perception that unarmed citizens have.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:49 PM
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ARE YOU SERIOUS????????

You've jumped the shark by bringing the Nazi's into this. I now discount all of your arguments.


Dave
That is a fact.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:49 PM
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Only until you are asked to leave. Im a member of a country club. Are you suggesting that I cant be asked to leave and forced to do so?
Overlooked is the part where he talked to the store manger.

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The store manager who had spoken with Scott seemed satisfied by Scott’s reassurance that he was a legal firearm carrier and would be finished with his shopping in a few minutes.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:49 PM
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That is like saying that the SS reviewed the actions at Aushwietz and found them justified and honoured those in charge for it.
Maybe you guys should leave your law enforcement review to nonprofessional citizens. You could try to limit involvement to citizens who really know the score like members of gun owner associations or neighbourhood watch groups.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:50 PM
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What? The employee was the one causing and being part of a disturbance. Once the employee disengaged, Erik was no longer 'disturbing;' he was a shopper.

The 'police state' comment is partially valid where LV is concerned.

Had the employee not approached Erik, there wouldn't have been ANY disturbance.
Frayed knot.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:50 PM
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ARE YOU SERIOUS????????

You've jumped the shark by bringing the Nazi's into this. I now discount all of your arguments.


Dave
Not at all. They 'judged' their own.

This is the same as if an award is given to an arsonist for bravery in extinguishing the fire he lit.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:51 PM
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Maybe you guys should leave your law enforcement review to nonprofessional citizens. You could try limit and involvement to citizens who really know the score like members of gun owner associations or neighbourhood watch groups.
Um, what? The inquest was an internal review. They reviewed their own.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:52 PM
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Leave your gone at home or keep it hidden...unless your're looking for trouble.
Right or wrong, that's the perception that unarmed citizens have.
And THAT is the true problem. Leaving the gun at home or hidden doesn't work to change that one bit. And THAT is what open carry is about.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:53 PM
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Guys, you have to understand the mindset here. The victim was a CCW holder. By definition, that means he cannot possibly have been anything other than a completely innocent, upstanding individual who would not have possibly have contributed in any way to the incident. The "wannabe cop" was 100% responsible and the CCW holder was 0% responsible.

In the unfortunate event that the wannabe cop and CCW holder are one and the same, then it becomes more complicated, because then they must "both" be 0% responsible and it is the unarmed teenager who is at fault.....
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:53 PM
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Frayed knot.
It is as valid as placing the blame for Erik's death upon Erik.


Erik wasn't causing a disturbance. He wasn't threatening others. He was shopping with his girlfriend.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:53 PM
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Frayed knot.
is a weak link, the frayed knot in this case was the loss prevention dude
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:54 PM
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And THAT is the true problem. Leaving the gun at home or hidden doesn't work to change that one bit. And THAT is what open carry is about.
Too bad.
Too many nut cases shooting too many people.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 03:54 PM
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Guys, you have to understand the mindset here. The victim was a CCW holder. By definition, that means he cannot possibly have been anything other than completely innocent, upstanding individual would not have possibly have contributed in any way to the incident. The "wannabe cop" was 100% responsible and the CCW holder was 0% responsible.

In the unfortunate event that the wannabe cop and CCW holder are one and the same, then it becomes more complicated, because then they must "both" be 0% responsible and it is the unarmed teenager who is at fault.....
BS.

He was a citizen. Whether he was a ccw holder or not is not the topic at all.

The ONLY relevance that permit has is that his concealment wasn't illegal. Unless you have seen someone here make the claim you seem to want to argue against.
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