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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:11 PM
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who were cleared of any wrongdoings in a coroner's inquiry and were later honoured by a national police organization.
Sickening, isn't it. They gun down an innocent citizen, the department cleared themselves of wrongdoing, and cops around the nation cheered!



In addition, one of them was later brought up on charges for giving a firearm to someone who was not legally able to own one.


http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...indicted-gun-/

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Thomas Rosco Mendiola was relieved of duty without pay in January pending the outcome of an investigation after he allegedly gave a firearm to a convicted felon as a gift for working on his car.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:14 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but that guaranteed right is neither carte blanche to keep and bear arms in any location, without exception, or a right to keep and bear any particular form of arms.

Just try carrying that handgun onto a passenger aircraft, without the appropriate permits and permissions.

Or bearing and keeping a personal thermonuclear weapon.
The document is very clear on the matter, it states no limitation. Adding limits to the rights is a "no-no" acording to the laws intent which is that we be equal to the standing army.

Having them on someone private property may vary... but in public places sorry pal I am looking for a tank.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:15 PM
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The document is very clear on the matter, it states no limitation. Adding limits to the rights is a "no-no" acording to the laws intent which is that we be equal to the standing army.
Well, like it or not, those limitations are very real.

If you don;t believe me, just try the two simple examples which I provided. Be sure to videotape the resultant incidents
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:16 PM
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Well there is no Ammendment for food... you can go play with that.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:17 PM
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In recent history it is well documented that a single, armed individual can create lot's of death and destruction.
So? What makes a visibly armed citizen different than one who is not visibly armed?
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:17 PM
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Well there is no Ammendment for food... you can go play with that.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:18 PM
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IMO when a gun leaves the holster, that could be considered brandishing.
That would be incorrect.


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I don't trust anyone per say I don't know, ie a passer by, the person sitting next to me in a restaurant or airplane etc. I won't leave my wallet sitting on the table in a public place, I always take my keys out of the ignition when I'm not in my truck, I lock the door when I'm at a hotel......should I go on? Not all people are dishonest or crooks, but there are enough of them out there as almost 60 yrs of experience has shown me.
So, where does 'being armed' fit into your metrics to decide trustworthiness of unknown individuals?
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:21 PM
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It's this simple people...

1. The U.S. Constitution GUARANTEES Citizens the right to keep and bear arms. PERIOD.
2. ANY law that interferes with the Constitution is an abridgement and is in violation of a guaranteed right.
But what about state rights? They seem to all agree with gun ownership ie legal, yet they have their own laws for instance about carrying them.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:22 PM
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Sickening, isn't it. They gun down an innocent citizen, the department cleared themselves of wrongdoing, and cops around the nation cheered!



In addition, one of them was later brought up on charges for giving a firearm to someone who was not legally able to own one.


http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...indicted-gun-/

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Amazingly that individual wasn't honoured. Sad really considering he was just trying to extend someone his first amendment right to keep and bear arms.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:22 PM
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But what about state rights? They seem to all agree with gun ownership ie legal, yet they have their own laws for instance about carrying them.
States Rights should be secondary to personal rights. Remember, Rights are of the People, not of the States. The Right of the State is to supposedly be free FROM overcontrol by the Federal Government; and NOT 'free to restrict Rights of the People.'
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:23 PM
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Amazingly that individual wasn't honoured. Sad, really considering he was just trying to extend someone his first amendment right to keep and bear arms.
Not exactly. But, nice try.

I may agree or disagree with barring convicted felons from gun ownership, but that does not mean I would support unlawful activity. Right restoration is an area where I DO feel more needs to be done. Otherwise, if citizens cannot be restored 'whole' after serving sentence, why are they released from jail?


Now, had he attempted to gift that pistol to Eric Scott, instead of only the bullets.....
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:25 PM
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That would be incorrect.


So, where does 'being armed' fit into your metrics to decide trustworthiness of unknown individuals?
Wasn't your question "whether they carry or not"?
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:27 PM
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But what about state rights? They seem to all agree with gun ownership ie legal, yet they have their own laws for instance about carrying them.
Read the 10th ammendment, in fact you should read the Federalist Papers so you can understand the document from the man that penned it. I have.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:31 PM
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Wasn't your question "whether they carry or not"?
Correct. Earlier, you had indicated that it made a difference to you. Are you altering that now?

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In my lifetime I don't recall anyone but LE or security guards brandishing firearms in public places, so I don't think it's a "problem" when many citizens feel uncomfortable with people not in a position of authority such as LE walking around with exposed rifles or handguns.
This did seem to indicate that you would not trust an armed individual unless he/she was in a uniform.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 01:33 PM
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In addition, one of them was later brought up on charges for giving a firearm to someone who was not legally able to own one.
How is it thus possible to OWN one illegally?
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