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Old Jun 04, 2012, 09:56 AM
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Methinks you are nit-picking, wrightme.

You and I both know that 'asking' such a thing is no different to 'telling' (it's just the social-acceptable face of telling).
No, 'you and I both don't know that.'

Legally, asking is a simple request.

Telling carries the weight of trespass law, and becomes a legal 'demand.' Maybe you don't know this, but I do. And, I have no doubt that business owners know the difference. The casinos sure do.
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 10:00 AM
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No, 'you and I both don't know that.'

Legally, asking is a simple request.

Telling carries the weight of trespass law, and becomes a legal 'demand.' Maybe you don't know this, but I do. And, I have no doubt that business owners know the difference. The casinos sure do.
Sure, if you want to play 'lawyers'.

But in reality.....
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 10:04 AM
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Sure, if you want to play 'lawyers'.

But in reality.....
I am speaking of reality. Not sure what you are speaking of.

If asked to leave, it is up to each person to decide their course of action.

If told to leave, the only lawful course of action is to leave. If a business owner truly desires you to not be in their business, they will tell you to leave.
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 10:15 AM
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"asking someone to leave" doesn't require someone to leave. He also spoke to the manager, who seemed to agree that he could finish his shopping and depart after that.

Yes, they CAN refuse to serve you and ask you to leave. Leaving isn't required unless they TELL you to leave.
So how's that lawsuit going against Costco and Shai Lierley for violating Scott's civil rights again? Oh right, it was withdrawn ...
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 10:51 AM
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So how's that lawsuit going against Costco and Shai Lierley for violating Scott's civil rights again? Oh right, it was withdrawn ...
What does that have to do with my post?


And....


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Goodman said he believes the federal case against Metro Police and Clark County is stronger than the case against Costco. But Goodman said Costco and the Scott family could still meet in court.

“The Scott family has preserved the right to hold Costco accountable in state court within the two-year statute of limitations,” he said.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...deral-lawsuit/
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 11:05 AM
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What does that have to do with my post?


And....


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http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...deral-lawsuit/
Is there still a lawsuit against the cops?
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 11:11 AM
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No, the "extent of his offense" is he didn't comply with the request to leave the premises - something the store is well within their right to request.

No, it doesn't. I deal with many Real Estate professionals, many women, and not one is fearful of being an "easy victim" or feels compelled to carry a weapon. Nor would they get the permit to do so approved.

I'm going to take a WAG and say worse, since he's dead.

Something he could have easily avoided.
Did you miss the part about the Store manager ?
Your opinion about real estate agents, or others applying lawfully for a CCW means nothing. Frisco ?
Arent certain BBguns banned there
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 11:13 AM
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Is there still a lawsuit against the cops?
Once again, what does that have to do with my previous post?
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 11:14 AM
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Libelle201B, what did you find after looking that the 10th Ammendment?
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 11:16 AM
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An instant felony and 5 years minimum prison sentence is little consequence?
Around these parts apparently it is not enough. Still too many young people with guns they are not legally allowed to have. This is NY (not NYC) and the majority of guns on the street are "illegal".
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 11:22 AM
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Once again, what does that have to do with my previous post?
So no pending or successful lawsuit for wrongful death or violating his rights then. You'd think there would be if he was acting fully within his rights, no?
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 11:35 AM
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The coroner's inquest showed the guy was a REAL mess, pharmacologically. In addition to pain meds:

"Olson testified that Scott had potentially lethal levels of prescription drugs in his system at the time of his death. The morphine in his system, 1,800 nanograms per milliliter, was more than four times enough to kill most people, and the level of Xanax, 390 nanograms per milliliter, was at the top of the lethal range. Because Scott was walking around partaking in daily activities, he probably had developed a tolerance to the drugs, though they could have made him drowsy, lethargic and clumsy, she said."

He had a long hx of Dr shopping and anabolic steroid, cocaine and ecstasy use.
The more I read about the case the more I think he could have been a poster child for who SHOULD NOT be allowed to carry a gun.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/coroner-s-i...103546304.html
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 11:50 AM
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Watching Cops the other night , I see them tazer a guy on pain meds [oxy]. The darn fool never felt a thing from the tazer. I guess some folks need to be dealt with in a big way.
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 12:05 PM
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The morphine in his system, 1,800 nanograms per milliliter, was more than four times enough to kill most people, ...
The deal with morphine, if the pain is great enough, what would kill people without that pain is considered a normal dose, if that's what it takes to control the pain. The more pain that one has, the greater the levels of morphine that can be tolerated. In addition long-term morphine users, can tolerate quite a bit more than one just starting dosage.
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 12:09 PM
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The deal with morphine, if the pain is great enough, what would kill people without that pain is considered a normal dose, if that's what it takes to control the pain. The more pain that one has, the greater the levels of morphine that can be tolerated. In addition long-term morphine users, can tolerate quite a bit more than one just starting dosage.
The first part of your statement is incorrect. The last sentence is right.
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