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Old Jun 03, 2012, 04:32 PM
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So what is it about then? Constitutional rights, masculinity, I'm badder than you? What?
Once again, I thought I made that clear.

It is a choice I make. That is all. It doesn't require a 'need,' nor does it require a 'justification.'
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 04:35 PM
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Doesnt it seem obvious to you that simply being near this fella in Costo brought DANGER to everyone in the area? If this fella had NOT been armed its clear bullets wouldnt have been flying over peoples heads [IN A PUBLIC PLACE]
Say what?

No, it was a danger to be near a hoplophobia-driven overreaction.

Once again, the overreaction isn't his fault.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 04:38 PM
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Is it common for stores in the US to not allow people to carry guns on their premesis? Is this something a concealed carry permit holder should be aware of?
What matters is trespass law of the locality in question.
In Nevada, a person must be told to leave by an agent of the business for trespass law to come in to play.
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It's alright going on about rights but carrying a gun is a responsibility. Whoever issued the permit is responsible here.
What? What did an issuing authority have to do with him getting shot?

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The type of person who is going to carry a gun onto someone else's property then not respect their rules and leave when asked has shown a lack of responsibility.
No, a person who is asked to leave is not required to leave. It doesn't make him less responsible.
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If he was carrying it for personal protection it didn't work. Quite the opposite. It got him killed.
No, the overreaction got him killed. There is that chaos theory argument again.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 04:48 PM
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Say what?

No, it was a danger to be near a hoplophobia-driven overreaction.

Once again, the overreaction isn't his fault.
Im pretty sure he is not concerned about WHO is at fault. Once again, the gun created hysteria that lead to somebody having to make a split second decision to defend themselves from a perceived threat. Dang!if the cop didnt make the wrong one. Oh well.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 04:52 PM
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Im pretty sure he is not concerned about WHO is at fault.
Who, Erik?
His family is concerned about who is at fault. Also, many posters here are placing the fault directly upon Erik.
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Once again, the gun created hysteria that lead to somebody having to make a split second decision to defend themselves from a perceived threat. Dang!if the cop didnt make the wrong one. Oh well.
No, the gun did nothing. The minds of those involved created a hysteria.

And yes, the cops made the wrong decision, and someone who did nothing illegal is now dead.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 04:58 PM
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Once again, I thought I made that clear.

It is a choice I make. That is all. It doesn't require a 'need,' nor does it require a 'justification.'
You are chumping out then, you asked me for an explanation, I gave it to you yet you offer nothing in response, thats a real cop out IMO, but thats OK, it simply represents your very biased opinion with no rebuttal to support your beliefs.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 04:59 PM
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You are chumping out then, you asked me for an explanation, I gave it to you yet you offer nothing in response, thats a real cop out IMO, but thats OK, it simply represents your very biased opinion with no rebuttal to support your beliefs.
No, it is accurate to point out that your desired 'need' or 'justification' isn't required.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 05:02 PM
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What matters is trespass law of the locality in question.
In Nevada, a person must be told to leave by an agent of the business for trespass law to come in to play.
What? What did an issuing authority have to do with him getting shot?

No, a person who is asked to leave is not required to leave. It doesn't make him less responsible.
No, the overreaction got him killed. There is that chaos theory argument again.
Dead is dead. Right or wrong, his weapon worked against him.

btw cops overreact because their jobs are becoming a death sentence if they dont.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 05:04 PM
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Who, Erik?
His family is concerned about who is at fault. Also, many posters here are placing the fault directly upon Erik.


No, the gun did nothing. The minds of those involved created a hysteria.

And yes, the cops made the wrong decision, and someone who did nothing illegal is now dead.
You would think this would tell you something
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 05:05 PM
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You asked.

The hairs that you are attempting to split, in differentiating between a request and whatever else you have determined to be the escape clause required, are amusing, but ultimately unlikely to result in anything other than pages of semantics.
It isn't a splitting of hairs, nor is it an escape clause. It is the operation of trespass law.

"Ask" is a request. It isn't a requirement to acquiesce to a request. Under trespass law, no crime is broken by failure to leave upon request. And, contrary to what some here think, it is quite possible to be polite, responsible, and not acquiesce to such request.

"Demand" isn't a request. Had the CostCo representative demanded that Erik leave, then at that point, he must leave, or be in violation of trespass law. THAT is the point where the rights of the business owner trump the rights of the person being trespassed, not earlier. In this case, by overstating the 'need' for LE, CostCo violated Erik Scott's rights.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 05:05 PM
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You would think this would tell you something
It says that the police were not sufficiently trained for that situation.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 05:06 PM
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You would think this would tell you something
What do YOU feel it should tell me?


In this case, the cops overreacted due to the false report by CostCo.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 05:07 PM
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Dead is dead. Right or wrong, his weapon worked against him.
No, the firearm did nothing. Overreactions drove events.

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btw cops overreact because their jobs are becoming a death sentence if they dont.
Their jobs have always been that way. That doesn't justify overreactions.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 05:09 PM
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This thread is progressing into nothing more than a platform for some to suggest that those carrying guns are the real arbitrators of justice.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 05:10 PM
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He should have left while the getting was good.... It was his over inflated ego brought on by carrying a weapon, that brought on his demise.
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