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Old May 28, 2012, 08:19 PM
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The june big sky international sailplane contest

THE JUNE BIG SKY INTERNATIONAL
LONGEST DURATION CONTEST FOR ALL ELECTRIC AND HAND LAUNCHED GLIDERS
THERMAL SOARING AND SLOPE SOARING
RULES AND INFO:
Contest will run from 12:01 am June 1 to 11:59 PM June 30 Eastern US time.
The contest is for ALL electric or hand launched gliders or airplanes of all sizes, all materials and all controls. The contest is intended to help motivate you to develop your thermal and slope soaring skills.
The contest is open to all gliders, e-gliders and, if you like, e-airplanes too. If it glides, it qualifies.
In Thermal Duration, the contest is split into three classifications, 2-meter and under E Gliders, Open class E Gliders and Hand Launch Gliders.
You can post as many times as you like using as many planes as you like, but only one will be counted per pilot per category regardless of what kind of plane you are flying. You can replace a shorter time with a longer time any point during the contest. You can fly as many flights as you like.
Goal - longest duration thermal and slope flights without use of the motor.

THE PLANES:
* Any electric motor system or unpowered hand launch glider. (No winches or Hi-Starts).
* Any wing controls and any wing span
* Any construction

BIG SKY - ELECTRIC THERMAL SOARING
1) From a fresh hand or ground launch you can run the motor for up to 30 seconds, then you turn the motor off and you can not restart it. Reclimbs are not permitted. If you restart the motor the flight time is no good.
2) Motor time starts as soon as you apply throttle. This is an LMR, Limited Motor Run contest with a pretty long motor run allowed so that the motor run itself does not provide much advantage to anyone. Many will choose to shut off the motor in less than 30 seconds. No credit for shorter motor runs.
3) Soaring time starts when the motor goes off. Either you time the whole flight and subtract the motor run or you use two watches, one to time the motor run and one to time the flight. I have multiple timers on my radio so I can do this with my radio alone. How you do this is up to you.
4) You can time your own flight if you wish. You are on your honor. Time is truncated to the second. No fractions and no rounding. Read the seconds only.
5) Landing must be within 100 feet of the original launch location or the flight does not count. Landing must be on the ground/grass or pavement. Landing in a tree, bush, structure or other elevated spot that would not normally be a landing spot does not count. There are no other rules around the landing.
6) Time stops when the glider comes to a rest. So the clock keeps running if you clip a branch, or go to land and bounce back into the air. When the plane stops, time stops.
7) You can launch as many times as you like but each flight has to be from a fresh launch from the ground/hand. No reclimbs permitted.
8) Report your best time of the day by posting here. You can post as many times as you like, but only the best one will count. You can fly as many days as you like to work toward your best time. The goal is to achieve personal bests in the fun atmosphere of a contest.

BIG SKY - HAND LAUNCH THERMAL SOARING

1) Soaring time starts at release of the plane.
2) You can time your own flight if you wish. You are on your honor. Time is truncated to the second. No fractions and no rounding. Read the seconds only.
5) Landing must be within 100 feet of the original launch location or the flight does not count. Landing must be hand catch or on the ground/grass or pavement. Landing in a tree, bush, structure or other elevated spot that would not normally be a landing spot does not count. There are no other rules around the landing.
6) Time stops when the glider comes to a rest. So the clock keeps running if you clip a branch, or go to land and bounce back into the air. When the plane stops, time stops.
7) You can launch as many times as you like but each flight has to be from a fresh launch.
8) Report your best time of the day by posting here. You can post as many times as you like, but only the best one will count. You can fly as many days as you like to work toward your best time. The goal is to achieve personal bests in the fun atmosphere of a contest.

BIG SKY - SLOPE SOARING

1) From a fresh hand or ground launch you can run the motor for up to 5 seconds, if you need it to get into the lift. I would expect most slope flights will have no motor run but some sites need a boost to the lift.
2) Motor time starts as soon as you apply throttle and is subtracted from the total flight time.
3) Soaring time starts when the motor goes off. Either you time the whole flight and subtract the motor run or you use two watches, one to time the motor run and one to time the flight. How you do this is up to you.
4) You can time your own flight if you wish. You are on your honor. Time is truncated to the second. No fractions and no rounding. Read the seconds only.
5) Landing has to be within 100 feet of the original launch location or the flight does not count. Landing must be on the same level as the launch. Landing down the slope or up in the trees does not count. You must come to rest in a "normal" landing spot and be able to walk over and pick it up. I realize this can vary by slope site so you are on your honor as to whether this was a normal landing.
6) Time stops when the glider comes to a rest. So the clock keeps running if you clip a branch, or go to land and bounce back into the air. When the plane stops, time stops.
7) You can launch as many times as you like but each flight has to be from a fresh launch from the ground or hand. No powered reclimbs permitted. If you restart the motor the flight does not count.
8) Report your best time of the day by posting here. You can post as many times as you like, but only the best one will count. Try as many days as you like to get your best time of the month.
For either contest you report the results via post.

Report Format:
Your Name - Real or RCGroup Name - your choice
Glider/plane name and wingspan:
Thermal, Hand Launch or Slope:
Date and Time of flight:
Duration of flight:
Location: Nearest City and State or Country
Comments - You are welcome to report anything you like about the day, the flight. Pictures, videos, gps plots, etc are welcome but not required.
I will maintain the thread and keep the second post updated with the top 10 Thermal (2 meter class) top 10 Thermal (Open class)and top ten Slope reports. Only one flight of each type will be recorded in the standings for each pilot. A new better time will replace the original.
THREAD CONTENT -
This thread is for contest reports and for discussion about the contest only.

Contest Records:

Thermal:
2 Meter Class:
Andy Grose (dee-grose)
Glider name:Radian
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:April 19, 2012 11:20am
Duration of flight:1:38:04 (after 30 sec motor run)
Location:Tanner, Alabama
Max Altitude: 3028ft AGL

Open Class:
Palo Lishak (aka TENDER in RCGroups)
Glider name: supra Stork electric
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight: October 29th 2011, start of flight 15:50 CET
Duration of flight: 1:45:40 (11 s climb with motor)
Location: Oponice near Nitra, Slovakia

Hand Launch:


Slope:
Hunnerbunner
Duration: 2:33:14
Date: 4/26/11
Location: San Diego, CA
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Old May 28, 2012, 08:25 PM
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STANDINGS:

Thermal:

2 Meter Class E-Gliders:


Erik Sipos (grgosko)
Glider name: Silver- Riva models
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:June 21, 2012 start of flight 16:00 CET
Duration of flight: 1:02:44 (after 25 sec motor run)
Location: Prašice near Topoĺčany, Slovakia
Max Altitude: 1060,93m is 3480,74 ft

Forest Flyer
Andromeda 2 m (Art Hobby)
Thermal
June 23, 2012, 3:15 pm
Duration: 33 minutes 12 seconds (climb of 10 seconds already subtracted)
Location: Terre Haute, IN, USA

Andy Grose
Glider name: Radian
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight: 6/2/12 11:00 am
Duration of flight: 29:43 (after 30 sec motor run)
Location: Tanner, AL

blunight
Glider name: Radian
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight: June, 5 2012 11:30:00am
Duration of flight: 29:29 (after 30 sec motor run)
Location:Brainerd, Minnesota

chickenwing
Glider/plane: Radian 2m
Date and Time of Flight: 2012/06/09 12:15PM
Duration of flight: 23:18
Max. Altitude: 1,861 feet
Location: Ninety Six, SC

JumpySticks
Glider name:Radian Pro
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:6/3/12 6:20pm
Duration of flight:14:48 (after 30 sec motor run)
Location:Lafayette, LA

Paulbilbo91z9f
Flight: Thermal
Plane: ASPIRE Disser-E (4th trimming flight)
Time: 13min. 6 sec. After 23 sec. Motor Run
Location: Pittsfield, Massachusetts, USA
Weather: Sunny with 5-8 MPH breeze.

Sonny
Plane: Radian Pro 2M foamie
6-11-12 3:00pm PST
Motor run <25 seconds, (see below)
Duration: 7min 32 seconds
Location: San Simeon, Ca
Wind: 12-15mph NNW

AMA69405
Cox Sportavia 1.8m
06/12/12 1600 CDT
05 min 53 seconds
Location: Dexter, Kansas


Open ClassE-Gliders:

Forest Flyer
High Aspect 3.1m
Thermal
June 24, 2012, 4:10 pm
Duration: 79 minutes 26 seconds (climb of 20 seconds already subtracted)
Location: Terre Haute, IN, USA

blunight
Glider name: Orion 2.5m
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight: June 4, 2012 3:30pm
Duration of flight: 19mns (after 30 sec motor run)
Location:Brainerd, Minnesota

Hand Launch:

Marin Rudolph (MMR)
Glider name: Arrow Legend DLG
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:6/24/12 11:00AM
Duration of flight: 51:43
Location: Wilson, NC

Nigel sheffield
blaster 2 dlg 1.5 meter wing span.
10/6/2012 11:40am start
time 31 minutes 51 seconds
location yorkshire UK

MMR - Martin Rudolph
Plane: DLG - Arrow Legend
Time: 21:50
Location: Greenville, NC


Slope:

Paraskevas Hadjianastasiou aka Friday
Glider Name : Topmodel Albatros 2,44
Thermal or Slope : Slope
Date & Time : 29/6/2012 - 16:20
Duration : 00:11:43 (5secs motor to get to lift already excluded)
Location : Spata, Greece (Attica) 2,3mi from LGAV

744drv
Glider name: Radian Pro
Thermal or Slope: Slope
Date and Time of flight: June, 8 2012 14:30pm
Duration of flight: 4:15 (min:sec)!!
Location: Discovery Bay, Hong Kong
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Old Jun 01, 2012, 04:58 PM
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Gentlemen....charge dem batteries!

This contest is ON!
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Old Jun 02, 2012, 12:44 AM
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You are kidding me, right... ?

I maidened myself and a topmodel Albatros 2,4 couple days ago and managed a 12 minute no power flight and thought that I did something outstanding for a newbie.

2 hours...! Duhhh, I have work to do...

Good job guys. Keep inspiring people
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Old Jun 02, 2012, 05:15 AM
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Nigel sheffield
hand launch glider blaster 2 dlg 1.5 meter wing span.
thermal duration
location yorkshire UK
2/6/2012 10am start
time 16 minutes 2 seconds.

Conditions were overcast and a southerly wind, most flights were about 1 to 2 mins and a few others 3 to 5 mins, I would say this does not actually thermal as well as my cheap st models asw28 but that is 2 meters and weighs only 530 grams.
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Old Jun 02, 2012, 12:19 PM
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Nice one Nigel.
That'll get the game started for the new hand launch class.
Thanks!
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 09:22 PM
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Glider name:Radian Pro
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:6/3/12 6:20pm
Duration of flight:14:48 (after 30 sec motor run)
Location:Lafayette, LA

Not too bad for late evening.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 09:27 PM
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I'll let you sit in first place a day or so before I post my time from yesterday.
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 09:45 PM
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I'll let you sit in first place a day or so before I post my time from yesterday.
Sorry, but the rules say you must post within 24 hours....
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Old Jun 03, 2012, 11:02 PM
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Sorry, but the rules say you must post within 24 hours....
Good one! Made me look!

I'm gonna go grab the data off my RAM3 and get me a post up here right away!

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Old Jun 03, 2012, 11:45 PM
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Glider name: Radian
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight: 6/2/12 11:00 am
Duration of flight: 29:43 (after 30 sec motor run)
Location: Tanner, AL

Me and a buddy took our Radians out before the winds picked up yesterday. My first flight was only 13 minutes or so. On my second flight, I was not getting much and spent more than 5 minutes scratching around at 200 feet or less. Finally as I was setting up to land and less than 100 feet, I hooked a good one and rode it on up. I took it way downwind and finally bailed on it. It was heading toward the sun in a cloudless part of the sky and was getting difficult to see. I had to dive pretty good to make it back upwind. I'd say that was a good flight!

I'm reporting a total flight time of 30:13 with the motor run as opposed to the time reported by the RAM3. I use my transmitter timer as my official time.

Also check out the plot from the Spektrum STi app on my iPhone. If you guys have Spektrum telemetry and an iPhone, you should check out the STi gadget that plugs in the phone. It can be set up to call out your altitude to you. Notice it was within 40 feet of what the RAM3 reported. Cool, huh?

Andy
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 07:27 AM
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Gotcha!

For the record there is no such deadline.
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 12:46 PM
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Andy, nice flight.
Look at that climb rate in the thermal! Looks like 400 FPM near the high point.
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 12:50 PM
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Andy, nice flight.
Look at that climb rate in the thermal! Looks like 400 FPM near the high point.
Yep, I measured it and it was 464 or something like that a couple of times during that climb. I love it when you can hook one down low and ride it out of sight. Just goes to show you that in thermal soaring, you should never give up until the plane touches the ground.
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Nigel sheffield
hand launch glider blaster 2 dlg 1.5 meter wing span.
thermal duration
location yorkshire UK
4/6/2012 2pm start
time 5 minutes 40 seconds.

Not as good a time as my other but thought I would post it anyway, winds were up today and blustery but still managed to hook a thermal.
I'm still only getting 1 minute dead air not matter what I do, I really dont know how others are getting 2 minutes, I must be trimmed out wrong and or not throwing it right, I am sure I'm not getting it anywhere near to 150 feet on launch.
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 06:05 PM
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I don't know much about DLG flying, but I'm guessing it's best to wait and watch for signs of a passing thermal. I guess I would also try to launch near some known thermal generators. In my case that would be either a dark green colored tennis court in the middle of the park or a certain clump of oak trees.

Aside from that, it still seems like lots of fun just throwing it up and flying without having to change out lipos, even if you only get a couple minutes of glide per toss.
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Old Jun 04, 2012, 07:59 PM
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Glider name: Orion 2.5m
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight: June 4, 2012 3:30pm
Duration of flight: 19mns (after 30 sec motor run)
Location:Brainerd, Minnesota
Max Altitude: 1158 ft
Weather Conditions: Sunny, wind 8 mph with gusts to 13

This was the fourth flight for my new glider, I'm looking forward to getting it trimmed and putting some more time on it.
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Not as good a time as my other but thought I would post it anyway, winds were up today and blustery but still managed to hook a thermal.
I'm still only getting 1 minute dead air not matter what I do, I really dont know how others are getting 2 minutes, I must be trimmed out wrong and or not throwing it right, I am sure I'm not getting it anywhere near to 150 feet on launch.
Nigel, I think your doing pretty darn good! Here is a link to the best article on trimming a DLG I've yet read:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1441098

Trent
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Old Jun 05, 2012, 12:02 PM
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Thanks trent, I have read that article and found it very interesting indeed but my second hand dlg has not got good servos in and I have to keep retrimming it most times I go out so I end up only getting it roughly right and just flying it but I will change the servos at some point as they are not smooth anyway-just a case of choosing the right ones for the job, its mainly the elev and rudder is the problem. Also I only have a dx6i so most of mixes cant be done anyway.
Also I have mine fairly light with a rearward cog for better thermaling and I think a heavier plane would launch higher and get better dead air times so maybe that is the difference.
Either way it is great fun and I am really loving the throwing and catching side of gliding on top of the thermal hunting-I'm hooked!
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Old Jun 05, 2012, 12:32 PM
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Glider name: Radian
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight: June, 5 2012 11:30:00am
Duration of flight: 29:29 (after 30 sec motor run)
Location:Brainerd, Minnesota
Max Altitude: 1518 ft
Weather Conditions: 78 deg. Wind 0-5 mph

I was getting flights of around 8 mns today...on my last flight I caught a thermal at 124 feet and rode it to just over 1500; I believe I finally have the Radian tuned after doing the CG and Decalage mod.

Nigel, I hope to join you with some DLG times soon - I've just started a Neos.
Trent
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Trent, looking forward to hearing your reports on neo dlg, I've not heard of that one.
Sounds like you have mastered the Radian and are ready for the next challenge!
I'm sure you will love dlg, everyone seems to cause I've not read a single comment saying otherwise lol.
As long as you have some aileron experience ( the Radian is just rudder/elevator right? ) you wont have any problem flying one.

OK just looked at some of your posts and I see you do 3d so scratch the need for aileron experience lol as I think you will already have some unless that is you can do 3d with rudder/elevator only in which case I would be even more impressed and like to see some video lmfao.
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Old Jun 08, 2012, 09:56 PM
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2M Class
Glider name: Radian
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight: June, 5 2012 11:30:00am
Duration of flight: 29:29 (after 30 sec motor run)
Location:Brainerd, Minnesota
Max Altitude: 1518 ft
Weather Conditions: 78 deg. Wind 0-5 mph

I was getting flights of around 8 mns today...on my last flight I caught a thermal at 124 feet and rode it to just over 1500; I believe I finally have the Radian tuned after doing the CG and Decalage mod.

Nigel, I hope to join you with some DLG times soon - I've just started a Neos.
Trent
Good flight. Good save from about 200 feet for another 9 minutes.
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Old Jun 08, 2012, 10:37 PM
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Glider name: Radian Pro
Thermal or Slope: Slope
Date and Time of flight: June, 8 2012 14:30pm
Duration of flight: 4:15 (min:sec)!!
Location: Discovery Bay, Hong Kong
Max Altitude: 800ft Launch @600ft
Weather Conditions: 30 deg Centigrade. Wind 10-15 mph

I know this flight time is a bit of a joke, I was just testing out my camera!! Anyway I've entered it here just to test out the system and at Jumpy's suggestion. Maybe I'll try more seriously to get some decent time in if a good day comes by. The big problem here in a humid country is when the wind is on a slope so is the cloud!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iHFOB0ZyGdM
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Old Jun 09, 2012, 04:34 PM
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Glider/plane: Radian 2m
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of Flight: 2012/06/09 12:15PM
Motor Run: 30 sec
Duration of flight: 23:18
Max. Altitude: 1,861 feet
Location: Ninety Six, SC

I launched and hooked into a monster thermal right away. Over the next 2-3 minutes she easily gained another 1000+ feet. I chickened out and bailed when she got too small and was still going up. I caught a few more smaller, weaker thermals to extend the flight. Beautiful day. Mostly sunny, light ENE winds. I got to soar with some turkey vultures for a while.
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Old Jun 09, 2012, 09:35 PM
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June 9, 2012, 12:30 pm
Duration: 35 minutes 28 seconds (climb of 20 seconds already subtracted)
Location: Terre Haute, IN, USA

Got some flying in today. The thermals were there, but they were not going up very far, and I was happy to scratch-out 35 minutes. I should be able to put in a few more flights this month.

Best wishes to all,

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Old Jun 10, 2012, 12:22 PM
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Nigel sheffield
hand launch glider blaster 2 dlg 1.5 meter wing span.
thermal duration
location yorkshire UK
10/6/2012 11:40am start
time 31 minutes 51 seconds

messed about for 1st hour finding small thermals making 5 mins or so, then launched strieght into a good thermal and up she went, kept finding more thermals as each one dissapeared in time to keep up, even managed quite a few loops and rolls to loose some height at some points, had to land as my battery is good for 1 and a half hours only-even managed to catch it at the end with an audience as well lol!
Went out again in afternoon and managed another 8 min flight.
Weather is rubbish again now lol for another week or 2 probably, we get one good day and pay for it in wind and rain for weeks lol.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 11:33 PM
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Plane: Radian Pro 2M foamie
Thermal duration
Location: San Simeon, Ca
6-11-12 3:00pm PST
Motor run <25 seconds, (see below)
Duration: 7min 32 seconds
Wind: 12-15mph NNW

Wind was manageable, but there was also a heavy marine layer with <200m altitude. My first flight the plane climbed out of sight into the fog before the CAM unit kicked in, (a scary couple of moments ensued til it popped out below the cloud again I assure you), so none of my flights today had motor runs exceeding 20-25 seconds. I would climb til the plane began to fade from sight, then shut down the throttle in order to keep it below the marine layer. This particular flight I caught a fast-moving area of lift just below the ceiling of the marine layer, but I was losing sight of it downwind too, so had to bail back upwind and come back home; I'll take it.

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Old Jun 13, 2012, 09:41 AM
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06/12/12 1600 CDT
05 min 53 seconds
Location: Dexter, Kansas

Comments - Just a teaser flight to let you guys know it (the Sportavia) is out there and active. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

It's essentially stock, including the Mabuchi RS380 can motor. We are not, however, using the stock NiCad 8 cell (and what... maybe 9 lb?) battery pack that came with it! Now powered by a 3S LiPo, thank you very much. Oh, and we also did away with the landing gear in the interest of drag/weight reduction. A folding prop would be nice. More to come...
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Hey Gary,

You're better than I am so far this month. Give it Hell....The wind and rain have been lousy around here in my neck of New England. It looks good for this weekend so maybe I can get out and post a flight.

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[QUOTE=nigelsheffield;21856890]Nigel sheffield
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10/6/2012 11:40am start
time 31 minutes 51 seconds

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Congrats on a fantastic flight Nigel, it's a time that will be VERY hard to beat.

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Nigel sheffield
hand launch glider blaster 2 dlg 1.5 meter wing span.
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location yorkshire UK
10/6/2012 11:40am start
time 31 minutes 51 seconds

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Congrats on a fantastic flight Nigel, it's a time that will be VERY hard to beat.

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Thanks, yeah I think that might be my PB for quite a while, went out yesterday with Mark who has got a blaster too now and we had a great time trying to find thermal between us and often getting a bit too close for comfort in the air, after we'd been flying for 1 1/2 hours I caught a goodun and went up, I shouted mark and he got in as well, we were both circling above houses for at least 15 mins and had quite an audience, I had to bail because I usually only trust my batts for 1 1/2 hours and did not want to go home crying but Mark soon had to come down too as the lift dissapeared and we both ended up landing at the same time.
Now if I could only just catch a thermal like that with fresh batteries.....

I have discovered that my throw is poor as well as my plane is heavy and servos not great, Marks plane goes way higher then mine and floats much better in the same conditions, I let him throw mine and he got it higher then me but not as high as he can get his, his throw loosened my rudder some more though and I have now added extra tape to hold better so maybe that could help.
He says I am dropping my arm just b4 I throw so I will try to stop that and keep my arm streight, I did try it b4 it started raining and it seemed to make a bit of difference, I will keep trying to improve, the higher I can get in a throw the better chance of catching the thermals I have. Marks is rudderless which is supposed to get higher in the throw and be lighter too which it definately is both but his is also undamaged and has good servos in where as mine had had some repairs which must have added some weight.
Still it makes it more of a challenge for me to keep up with him!
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Regulator:
http://www.skipmillermodels.com/prod..._regulator.htm
Battery:
http://www.skipmillermodels.com/LiPo..._330mah_2s.htm

Nigel,
Here's some links to the LiPo and regulator I just purchased from Skip Miller Models. The battery fits perfectly in the nose of my Neos and shold provide cosiderably more flight time than a NiMh battery. I dont know if they would fit your Blaster but if they do, you would be set for that next big thermal.

With any luck I should have mine done by the end of next week, your great time gives me something to shoot for! Your lucky to have someone to fly DLG's with - this contest is the only way I can do the same - one of the drawbacks to living in a smaller community I guess.
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Thanks Trent, I know where to get similar setup here in UK and will probably change over to lipo and replace servos too at some point if I stick with the blaster. I might still get something better if something comes up though for the right money!
Next week looks promising weather wise but weekend looks rubbish unfortunately.
The DLG s are not only fun to fly they seem to atract audiences more then the powered gliders too and a few people have commented that they think they should get one but I have not told them how much they cost lol.
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Hi guys. I hope you don't mind if I just stop in and say hello.

You haven't see a time from me in months. It is not because I have lost interest in e-gldiers or this event. On the contrary. I am not club co-CD for our monthly ALES contest. So most of my e-glider flying is either for ALES tasks, 10 minutes, or teaching people how to fly.

If I am not doing that then I am preparing for the NATs in Unlimited soaring. That is winch launched gliders. So that is where I am spending most of my flying time.

Jumpy you are really doing a great job managing the contest. I wish I were able to actively participate. Maybe in the future.

My best wishes to all of you.

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Hi guys. I hope you don't mind if I just stop in and say hello.

You haven't see a time from me in months. It is not because I have lost interest in e-gldiers or this event. On the contrary. I am not club co-CD for our monthly ALES contest. So most of my e-glider flying is either for ALES tasks, 10 minutes, or teaching people how to fly.

If I am not doing that then I am preparing for the NATs in Unlimited soaring. That is winch launched gliders. So that is where I am spending most of my flying time.

Jumpy you are really doing a great job managing the contest. I wish I were able to actively participate. Maybe in the future.

My best wishes to all of you.

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Drop in any time Ed, good to hear from you.

For those who weren't around, Aeajr was the originator of the Big Sky contest.

Thanks!
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Plane: DLG - Arrow Legend
Location: Greenville, NC
Time: 21:50

Conditions improved - the last week was extremely windy and it was hard to get 5 minutes. Today was an improvement, winds between 4 to 8 mph and lots of puffy cumulus
So I decided to go after Nigel's time. The flight started out well enough, found a thermal and climbed quickly - thermals were tight and strong. They also moved quickly so I was way downwind in a hurry. Time to come back, that's when I found out that there were really nasty patches of sink in between the thermals.
Luckily I found another ride and this tome I really tried to climb as high as possible and tried to plan my leaving the thermal with a plan of where my next ride was likely to be. Repeated this cycle a couple of times until I hit a patch of sink that was just too large. By the time I got out of it I was at maybe 60 feet - not enough to make the next cycle - the sink had swept all the thermals.
So I landed - I knew I was not going to beat that time today, so I packed it up and went home.

It was a great flight while it lasted

I will try again

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Plane: DLG - Arrow Legend
Location: Greenville, NC
Time: 21:50

Conditions improved - the last week was extremely windy and it was hard to get 5 minutes. Today was an improvement, winds between 4 to 8 mph and lots of puffy cumulus
So I decided to go after Nigel's time. The flight started out well enough, found a thermal and climbed quickly - thermals were tight and strong. They also moved quickly so I was way downwind in a hurry. Time to come back, that's when I found out that there were really nasty patches of sink in between the thermals.
Luckily I found another ride and this tome I really tried to climb as high as possible and tried to plan my leaving the thermal with a plan of where my next ride was likely to be. Repeated this cycle a couple of times until I hit a patch of sink that was just too large. By the time I got out of it I was at maybe 60 feet - not enough to make the next cycle - the sink had swept all the thermals.
So I landed - I knew I was not going to beat that time today, so I packed it up and went home.

It was a great flight while it lasted

I will try again

Martin
That's a very good time by any standards, I have only since managed about 15 mins max, mostly just throw and land within a minute, conditions here are gusty and turbulant and mostly sink with the winds coming from the north, yesterday I managed a 15 min flight at 9am but then only managed the odd 5 mins gave up after a while when plane was getting thrown into ground on landings. Today was supposed to be light southerly winds and I was ready this morn to fly but it has been strong northerly winds again all day so I did not even bother trying!!!!!
Got some jobs around the house done instead, rest of week is predicted strong northerly winds still so I doubt that I will be posting any more times this month unless things change which they often do round here lol.
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Thanks Neil!

Seeing your time, and knowing how hard it is to do that with a DLG motivated me to give it a try.
Sorry about the weather in your corner of the world.

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Date and Time of flight: June 19, 2012 10:45 am
Duration of flight: 1mn
Location:Brainerd, Minnesota
Max Altitude: 150 ft
Weather Conditions: Cloudy, light rain 65 degrees Wind 5mph

First try with my new DLG. Spent the morning getting it programed and trimmed. I had a great morning flying it – too good as it turns out – I failed to keep track of time and the glider ran out of battery power resulting in a crash. I was fortunate in that I was able to deploy full flaps just before losing all control and the damage was moderate but fixable. Lesson learned
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Date and Time of flight: June 19, 2012 10:45 am
Duration of flight: 1mn
Location:Brainerd, Minnesota
Max Altitude: 150 ft
Weather Conditions: Cloudy, light rain 65 degrees Wind 5mph

First try with my new DLG. Spent the morning getting it programed and trimmed. I had a great morning flying it – too good as it turns out – I failed to keep track of time and the glider ran out of battery power resulting in a crash. I was fortunate in that I was able to deploy full flaps just before losing all control and the damage was moderate but fixable. Lesson learned
Sorry about yr crash-hope it fixes ok.
I know how easy it is to run these batterys down by loosing track of time. I flew for 2 hour this morn b4 I realized I should have stopped 1/2 hour b4 lol but it was ok, I just caught a thermal and then had a glitch which made me check my watch so I landed quick.

Had another great time later on though went down at 2 pm and caught a thermal even though it was windy and managed to stay up going from one thermal to the next for 27 mins, got very high and did lots aerobatics to loose a bit of height. went back down at 4:15 andit was VERY windy and blaster was flying backwards lots of the time but still managed some decent times between 5 and 9 mins cause winds were coming from the south, landing was very hairy though my mate Mark was down as well and it looked cool with both blasters up at same time not moving lol.

I seem to be getting more height now in the launch by keeping my arm out streight but Marks still goes higher and floats better but it is a bit closer now.
Hope the forcast is wrong again tomorrow lol.
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Hi Guys,

Hey, I wanted to post a flight from the other day that I recorded with my RAM3 but I don't know how to post up the graph. I'm assuming you somehow need to convert the RAM information to a jpg. file first before uploading it, but I can't figure out how.

Can someone please help me?

Thanks,

Murph
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Glider name: Silver- Riva models
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:June 21, 2012 start of flight 16:00 CET
Duration of flight: 1:02:44 (after 25 sec motor run)
Location: Prašice near Topoĺčany, Slovakia
Max Altitude: 1060,93m is 3480,74 ft
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Thermal:
2 Meter Class:
Erik Sipos (grgosko)
Glider name: Silver- Riva models
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:June 21, 2012 start of flight 16:00 CET
Duration of flight: 1:02:44 (after 25 sec motor run)
Location: Prašice near Topoĺčany, Slovakia
Max Altitude: 1060,93m is 3480,74 ft
Ever thought of donating your eyes to science. Man, that's extremely high!

Nice flight. Thanks for posting the plot.
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Hi Guys,

Hey, I wanted to post a flight from the other day that I recorded with my RAM3 but I don't know how to post up the graph. I'm assuming you somehow need to convert the RAM information to a jpg. file first before uploading it, but I can't figure out how.

Can someone please help me?

Thanks,

Murph
Someone with a RAM will probably have a better way, but at a minimum, you could hit your printscreen button, paste into any paint program and save the screen image as a jpg or gif file, then upload with your post. To upload with a post you have to go to advanced post and upload as an attachment.

My guess is that the RAM software also has an option to print to an image file.
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Congratulation Erik, nice flight. We must try fly next round together

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Hi Guys,

Hey, I wanted to post a flight from the other day that I recorded with my RAM3 but I don't know how to post up the graph. I'm assuming you somehow need to convert the RAM information to a jpg. file first before uploading it, but I can't figure out how.

Can someone please help me?

Thanks,

Murph
Murph,
I use my computers "Snipping tool". Assuming your using a PC with a Microsoft OS: type "Snipping tool" into the search bar on your start screen to find it. An alternate method is to use the Print Screen function but that will give you a slightly lower resolution image.

I save the images along with my contest entry into a file on my computer to make finding previous entries easier.

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Hi Trent,

Thank You. I'll give it a try later today when I get home from work.


Murph
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It Works....

Hey Trent,

Thanks Again, It Works.....

I know this isn't a great flight or anything, but I wanted to show someone!

This was just the 4th flight on one of my winter projects that I'm finally getting into the air. I was so impressed (or Lucky..) with the way it's flying and trimming out. The plane is an Aspire Disser that was slightly beat-up and I converted it to electric.

Hopefully I'll get a flight truly worthy of posting here before the end of the month. This flight was;

Flight: Thermal
Plane: ASPIRE Disser-E (4th trimming flight)
Time: 13min. 6 sec. After 23 sec. Motor Run
Location: Pittsfield, Massachusetts, USA
Weather: Sunny with 5-8 MPH breeze.

Thanks Again, Murph
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Hi Trent,

Here are 2 pictures of my winter project 3.7M ASPIRE Disser E-Conversion. She looks pretty and I hope it will trim out and fly as good as it looks. So far my test flights and trimming is going as expected and I'm very happy with it.

It's fitted out with a Hacker B40:10L motor with a 4:4-1 gearbox and 17"x8 carbon folder. In my initial test flights the motor is drawing just over 1,000 watts (1,026W) and 71 Amps. The climb rate on that big sailplane is 550 Meters / Minute and it will get me to 200M in anywhere from 18 to 24 seconds on my RAM. (Good ALES time.)

As I said, I did work on this glider because it was just a little banged up when I got it. I was told that it was flow into a set of power-lines and cut the top of the fin off the tail. Who can be the first to look at the pictures and tell me where I stole the rudder and fin from?

Have a good weekend guys,

Murph
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Wow, that is one beautiful work of flying art! Good luck with the upcoming trim flights, I'm sure you will be posting some winning times soon
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Glider name: Arrow Legend DLG
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:6/24/12 11:00AM
Duration of flight: 51:43
Location: Wilson, NC

Hot and sticky eastern NC day - I went out to our club field in Wilson, NC to fly DLG and TD. There are a couple of us that like to fly 'extreme duration' - basically seeing how long we can stay aloft
Essentially I got lucky that I launced into a prolonged lift cycle that allowed me to stay way high for a long time., it was also too early for any signifcant sink to delop - that started after lunch...

I think this is my DLG PB.

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June 24, 2012, 4:10 pm
Duration: 79 minutes 26 seconds (climb of 20 seconds already subtracted)
Location: Terre Haute, IN, USA

Calm but challenging conditions today. The flight started with weak sunshine through a high overcast. The thermals were fairly abundant, but not going any higher than about 600 - 700 feet; that was the case for the first 50 minutes of the flight, and several low-level rescues were needed. The sky then cleared, and decent strong thermals developed fairly quickly. The last 20 minutes were pretty easy, mainly spent drifting around in broad, high lift. The flight was cut short by the need to get dinner going (my day to cook).

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June 23, 2012, 3:15 pm
Duration: 33 minutes 12 seconds (climb of 10 seconds already subtracted)
Location: Terre Haute, IN, USA

Had time on Saturday to take a shot at that nice 63 minute 2-meter time set by Erik S. The best that I could do was about 33 minutes. All of my attempts were ended by huge areas of strong sink, stronger than I have seen in some time. I managed to avoid those periods of sink for about a half-hour on this particular flight.

Best to all,

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Marin Rudolph (MMR)
Glider name: Arrow Legend DLG
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:6/24/12 11:00AM
Duration of flight: 51:43
Location: Wilson, NC

Hot and sticky eastern NC day - I went out to our club field in Wilson, NC to fly DLG and TD. There are a couple of us that like to fly 'extreme duration' - basically seeing how long we can stay aloft
Essentially I got lucky that I launced into a prolonged lift cycle that allowed me to stay way high for a long time., it was also too early for any signifcant sink to delop - that started after lunch...

I think this is my DLG PB.

Martin
Outstanding flight Marin.
Puts you on top of the leaderboard.
Congratulations on the PB!
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June 23, 2012, 3:15 pm
Duration: 33 minutes 12 seconds (climb of 10 seconds already subtracted)
Location: Terre Haute, IN, USA

Had time on Saturday to take a shot at that nice 63 minute 2-meter time set by Erik S. The best that I could do was about 33 minutes. All of my attempts were ended by huge areas of strong sink, stronger than I have seen in some time. I managed to avoid those periods of sink for about a half-hour on this particular flight.

Best to all,

FF
You really were "cooking" today Forest!
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Marin Rudolph (MMR)
Glider name: Arrow Legend DLG
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:6/24/12 11:00AM
Duration of flight: 51:43
Location: Wilson, NC

Hot and sticky eastern NC day - I went out to our club field in Wilson, NC to fly DLG and TD. There are a couple of us that like to fly 'extreme duration' - basically seeing how long we can stay aloft
Essentially I got lucky that I launced into a prolonged lift cycle that allowed me to stay way high for a long time., it was also too early for any signifcant sink to delop - that started after lunch...

I think this is my DLG PB.

Martin
Awsome flight, but darn you could have waited till next month so my 32 mins could have won this month lol!
I have something to aim for now. It's pretty rare to get thermals lasting that long round here though but with the dlg I stand a better chance then with the other powered gliders once I get some height! Tomorrow looks like posible flying day apart from rain in afternoon but forcast light winds in morn so fingers crossed I might actually get some flying in.
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Go for it Nigel!

Hopefully you will have a decent flying day soon and the thermal gods will be good to you.

Martin
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Help me here guys

I am following this thread but I can tell i miss something.

There are flights that lasted more of an hour but yet a time that is less than that you say it wins.

Is it that a flight counts from motor stop or (handlaunch) to land or you count the total time someone is flying regardless how many time he has had to launch ?

I am a bit confused.

I timed two different times. 17mins after shutting off to land and another 20mins again after shutting off to land.

Does these count as a 37min flight or two flights ?

Thanks guys
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Help me here guys

I am following this thread but I can tell i miss something.

There are flights that lasted more of an hour but yet a time that is less than that you say it wins.

Is it that a flight counts from motor stop or (handlaunch) to land or you count the total time someone is flying regardless how many time he has had to launch ?

I am a bit confused.

I timed two different times. 17mins after shutting off to land and another 20mins again after shutting off to land.

Does these count as a 37min flight or two flights ?

Thanks guys
Those count as two separate flights.
If I have posted something wrong, please let me know.
Thanks,
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June 24, 2012, 4:10 pm
Duration: 79 minutes 26 seconds (climb of 20 seconds already subtracted)
Location: Terre Haute, IN, USA

several low-level rescues were needed.
Because of the rescues, isn't this the best time ?
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Glider name: Silver- Riva models
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:June 21, 2012 start of flight 16:00 CET
Duration of flight: 1:02:44 (after 25 sec motor run)
Location: Prašice near Topoĺčany, Slovakia
Max Altitude: 1060,93m is 3480,74 ft
Or why isn't this...?

Don't mean to jump on you, I am just trying to figure out, what should I count

Thanks again
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Because of the rescues, isn't this the best time ?
To clarify, those "rescues" did not involve a motor re-start, just some good fortune in finding a low thermal with enough altitude to maneuver. In other words, thermals came to the rescue.
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Because of the rescues, isn't this the best time ?
It is the best time....in the Open Class.

We have a 2 meter class, an open class and slope class for electric gliders.
This plane is over 2 meters and falls into open class.

Forest has been flying the contest a while and knows that a motor restart disqualifies the flight. I understand when he says "rescue" to mean he was low and found new lift.

It's probably best not to use the term "rescued" in the contest so as not to be misunderstood.
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Or why isn't this...?

Don't mean to jump on you, I am just trying to figure out, what should I count

Thanks again
Erik Sipos (grgosko)
Glider name: Silver- Riva models
Thermal or Slope: Thermal
Date and Time of flight:June 21, 2012 start of flight 16:00 CET
Duration of flight: 1:02:44 (after 25 sec motor run)
Location: Prašice near Topoĺčany, Slovakia
Max Altitude: 1060,93m is 3480,74 ft


This flight is already posted as the best flight in 2 meter class.
Not sure what the problem is here, if any.

If the standings are wrong, someone please chime in and I'll correct.

Good opportunity for a couple of requests from me:

I did have to look this plane up to classify it, and would ask all contestents to please state the wingspan of the plane you are entering. Saves me some effort.

Additionally, when you post an entry, please try to format it as per the instructions, including your name (or screen name), with all leading text as below. Otherwise I have to format the text, move it around and such in order to keep the leaderboard looking nice and tidy.

Try to make it so I can simply copy and paste it into the leaderboard.

Format for entries:

Erik Sipos (grgosko)
Glider name: Silver- Riva models
Wingspan: 2 meter e glider (or open class e glider)
Thermal or Slope: Thermal (or DLG or Slope)
Date and Time of flight: June 21, 2012 start of flight 16:00 CET
Duration of flight: 1:02:44 (after 25 sec motor run)
Location: Prašice near Topoĺčany, Slovakia
Max Altitude: 1060,93m is 3480,74 ft

(other info and comments below the entry are welcome and encouraged.)


Thanks,
JS
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Or why isn't this...?

Don't mean to jump on you, I am just trying to figure out, what should I count

Thanks again
Friday,

Take some time to read the contest rules for the type of plane you are flying. It's pretty simple after you read it through.

Basically:

No restarts during a flight.
Must land within 100 feet of launch.
30 second max motor run at beginning of flight (Thermal) (5 seconds for Slope), subtracted from total flight time.
One launch, one landing for each entry.
Classes are 2 meter eglider, Open eglider, Hand Launch and slope classes.

Hope this helps.
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Help me here guys

I am following this thread but I can tell i miss something.

There are flights that lasted more of an hour but yet a time that is less than that you say it wins.

Is it that a flight counts from motor stop or (handlaunch) to land or you count the total time someone is flying regardless how many time he has had to launch ?

I am a bit confused.

I timed two different times. 17mins after shutting off to land and another 20mins again after shutting off to land.

Does these count as a 37min flight or two flights ?

Thanks guys
Please read the very first post - the scores are by categories of lift termal or slope and wingspan: 1.5M, 2M & unlimited

Hope this makes sense

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Please read the very first post - the scores are by categories of lift termal or slope and wingspan: 1.5M, 2M & unlimited

Hope this makes sense

Martin
Nope......maybe it's not so simple after all.
There is no 1.5 meter.

There is 2 meter and under.
There is open class, which is any plane (but presumably above 2 meter)
There is hand launch, which is any size unpowered hand launch plane.
There is Slope, which is any size plane.

From the rules:

The contest is open to all gliders, e-gliders and, if you like, e-airplanes too. If it glides, it qualifies.

In Thermal Duration, the contest is split into three classifications, 2-meter and under E Gliders, Open class E Gliders and Hand Launch Gliders.
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I refuse to hire an attorney to rewrite the rules!
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Ahhh...Forest, I just realized I missed your 2 meter entry. I think I attempted to post it last night, got a timeout, and forgot to go back and check it.

It's up there now...second place!
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Sorry about the confusion Junpysticks - 1.5M is the max wingspan for a DLG/handlaunch glider. I should have been more specific in my post.

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Sorry about the confusion Junpysticks - 1.5M is the max wingspan for a DLG/handlaunch glider. I should have been more specific in my post.

Martin
No problem!

Where do the rules limit wingspan for hand launch? If it does, I didn't intend to.

Guess I need a poll. Is there a reason to set a span limit on hand launch gliders? I don't have one so I am ignorant..

Input desired....
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No problem!

Where do the rules limit wingspan for hand launch? If it does, I didn't intend to.

Guess I need a poll. Is there a reason to set a span limit on hand launch gliders? I don't have one so I am ignorant..

Input desired....
The following is copied from the official FAI F3K rules:


Model gliders are gliders with the following limitations:
Wingspan maximum 1500 mm
Weight maximum 600 g
Radius of the nose must be a minimum of 5 mm in all orientations. (See F3B nose definition for measurement technique.)
The model glider must be launched by hand and is controlled by radio equipment acting on an unlimited number of surfaces.
The use of gyros and variometers onboard the model glider is not allowed.
The model glider may be equipped with holes, pegs or reinforcements, which allow a better grip of the model glider by hand. The pegs must be stiff and an integral part of the model glider within the half-span of the wing, and be neither extendable nor retractable. Devices, which do not remain a part of the model glider during and after the launch, are not allowed.

So much for 'da rules' - I have seen videos of guys specking out their unlimited birds from a hand launch, but I think the intention here is to stick with the official designation.

Hope that helps,

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Guess I need a poll. Is there a reason to set a span limit on hand launch gliders?
Input desired....
In my opinion there is no need to limit the wingspan in the hand launch category - if someone wants to javelin throw their 3m glider to record a time in the HL category then more power to em'!

Besides - The last thing I want to see happen is see Jumpy Sticks get loaded down with even more work keeping up with all our entries and decide it's too much work to continue.
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My apologies...!

It seems that even i read the rules at the beggining, I lost it somehow and confused with all those listings.

Now it is crystal clear.

I ll try to put some time here and post. But with such wind I would need a sloper and not a thermal ship...

Thanks and again my apologies
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For this contest series, I see no need to limit wingspan in the handlaunch class either. Leave the 1.5m limit to the official F3K class contests.

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The following is copied from the official FAI F3K rules:


Model gliders are gliders with the following limitations:
Wingspan maximum 1500 mm
Weight maximum 600 g
Radius of the nose must be a minimum of 5 mm in all orientations. (See F3B nose definition for measurement technique.)
The model glider must be launched by hand and is controlled by radio equipment acting on an unlimited number of surfaces.
The use of gyros and variometers onboard the model glider is not allowed.
The model glider may be equipped with holes, pegs or reinforcements, which allow a better grip of the model glider by hand. The pegs must be stiff and an integral part of the model glider within the half-span of the wing, and be neither extendable nor retractable. Devices, which do not remain a part of the model glider during and after the launch, are not allowed.

So much for 'da rules' - I have seen videos of guys specking out their unlimited birds from a hand launch, but I think the intention here is to stick with the official designation.

Hope that helps,

Martin
This is an informal contest, and the hand launch class here is not strictly for DLG gliders. It's not strictly an F3K contest.

DLG's get an advantage of a much higher launch than a javelin launched 3 meter plane.

Pending other inputs to the contrary, I think we'll stick with the hand launch wingspan being unlimited.
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In my opinion there is no need to limit the wingspan in the hand launch category - if someone wants to javelin throw their 3m glider to record a time in the HL category then more power to em'!

Besides - The last thing I want to see happen is see Jumpy Sticks get loaded down with even more work keeping up with all our entries and decide it's too much work to continue.
Thanks!

Adding the hand launch and the unlimited has made it a little more work, but it's still not much trouble.

I really wouldn't want to add any more classes though.

Some of the guys here also participate in a monthly ALES contest hosted on RCgroups in the e-glider section. It's not an all month contest, it happens on specific weekends and looks like lots of fun.

If someone wants to set up a separate contest with strict F3K rules, there are plenty of pixels in the RCG pixel bucket to do so. The moderators are very cooperative with requests for a sticky contest thread. It's pretty easy to do.
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I send one of my non-competitive fly. Just for inspiration. Duration of flight 1:45,26.
If there is a problem with my previous flight, I have the original record from altimeter. Sorry my English is not good: D
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I send one of my non-competitive fly. Just for inspiration. Duration of flight 1:45,26.
If there is a problem with my previous flight, I have the original record from altimeter. Sorry my English is not good: D
Wow! That's quite a ride there. Looking at your altitude plot, you took 35 minutes to climb to 700+ meters (2300+ feet). That's a really long ride in one thermal. It must have been a really weak thermal since that works out to an average climb rate of 50 feet per minute. That's what I call hanging with it! I think I would have gotten bored with that thermal!

Nice job though...bad English or not, the altitude plot speaks for itself.

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Thank you for taking this on Jumpysticks!

Agree 100% with no wingspan limit on hand launch - although most pilots will use a DLG or javelin HL plane for that.
Once I get my van back running I will resume flying my Radian Pro - since I fly during my lunch break, I don't want to assemble a plane. I like to have it ready to go: connect the battery, wiggle the sticks - fly!

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No real need to have hlg wingspan limited I think, it's only a bit of fun int it?
I think that wingspan is not so important anyway, it's more about overall wing loading but I suppose a bigger wing could be built to have a lower loading.
At the end of the day it's how good a thermal is there and how good you are at staying up in it, I suppose another advantage of a bigger plane is you can follow the thermal higher because you can see it better therefor gain more height to try to reach the next one.
But for this contest it's more about getting good flight times and reporting them so you feel apreciated and of course there's the challenge of beating other flyers times!!
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As I promised...

Name : Paraskevas Hadjianastasiou aka Friday
Glider Name : Topmodel Albatros 2,44
Thermal or Slope : Slope
Date & Time : 29/6/2012 - 16:20
Duration : 00:11:43 (5secs motor to get to lift already excluded)
Location : Spata, Greece (Attica) 2,3mi from LGAV

A little insite...

First slope soaring ever. You can imagine what happened to my knees...! Winds were 19knots ENE with gusts to 39. Took me 15min with the glider on hand to find the courage to launch it, I could barely hold it. At a gap of wind I launched it and up it went. 5secs motor and the lift was so good that I already gained 150ft, at a relatively low slope. Wings scared the heck out of me as they were heavily flexed, but they managed ok. Landing was actually the easiest part. It was more of a heli like landing than an airplane landing.

Anyway it was an amazing experience and I could still be flying if I haven't had to leave. Big big smile.

Thanks guys.

Ps : Also first time participating on any kind of rc competition.

Will this competition go on for next month ?
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[QUOTE=FRIDAY_2008;22032461]

Will this competition go on for next month ?[/QUOTE]

Good lord willing and the creek don't rise! (That means yes)

Welcome to the contest, Friday!
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Courage :-)

Congratulations Friday,

Sometimes it takes the biggest amount of courage for any of us to toss our prized possession into the air, not knowing if it will come back to us in one piece or not.

Each time I tell myself, "If you don't do it, You'll never know!"

And like your present experience, when it works, you're the happiest guy in the world.

Nice Flying,

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Thanks Murph

Can I post a video here ?
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Thanks Murph

Can I post a video here ?
Sure.
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You can check the video in this thread

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1682658

Thanks
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Well just got back from a good dlg session lol. no record times but I had fun.
wind did not play ball at first was coming form west and very strong and turbuent, but I persisted after 1 and 1/2 hours I had managed a few 6 min flights as the wind changed from the south.
All flights were different, one was just a nice thermal which I circled up in but had to bail as it was blown away in no time, another was slope soaring( as were most flights this morn) and the most exiting/intersting for me as I have not done it b4( intentionally anyway) was a dynamic soaring flight where you fly a fast circuit which goes between 2 diferent winds using the wind shear to boast the planes speed which can then be used to gain a bit of height, which means its possible to climb even though no wind is actually going upwards, it's not for the feint hearted though and your plane needs to be strong, I managed to keep the plane flying like this for 5 mins but I did not reach huge speeds like they do on the big slopes(468mph is the record last time I checked) but I could definitely see the principle working!
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Well just got back from a good dlg session lol. no record times but I had fun.
wind did not play ball at first was coming form west and very strong and turbuent, but I persisted after 1 and 1/2 hours I had managed a few 6 min flights as the wind changed from the south.
All flights were different, one was just a nice thermal which I circled up in but had to bail as it was blown away in no time, another was slope soaring( as were most flights this morn) and the most exiting/intersting for me as I have not done it b4( intentionally anyway) was a dynamic soaring flight where you fly a fast circuit which goes between 2 diferent winds using the wind shear to boast the planes speed which can then be used to gain a bit of height, which means its possible to climb even though no wind is actually going upwards, it's not for the feint hearted though and your plane needs to be strong, I managed to keep the plane flying like this for 5 mins but I did not reach huge speeds like they do on the big slopes(468mph is the record last time I checked) but I could definitely see the principle working!
Still trying to figure out what the shear effect does, how it gives added speed.
Anyone know of a good explanation (preferably with graphics)?
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Irrelevant to the previous post... Is the july contest up ?
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Old Jul 03, 2012, 02:18 PM
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There is a good explanation on the principle of dynamic soaring in the June edition of RC Soaring Digest.
You can download here:
www.rcsoaringdigest.com
You will have to navigate to the back issues section.

This is a great read, if you're not reading it every month you should.

Martin
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Irrelevant to the previous post... Is the july contest up ?
Wow, time sure flies (pardon the pun).
Sorry I forgot. Stay tuned.
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Congratulations to all the June contest winners!

The July contest is now on. Follow the link below.

THE JULY BIG SKY INTERNATIONAL SAILPLANE CONTEST.
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