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Old May 22, 2012, 03:26 PM
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Help me identify this plane I inherited in 1997

I posted in the Beginner's forum and they pointed me to this forum. Any idea what this plane is would be greatly appreciated!

The link to my original post:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1650188
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Old May 22, 2012, 05:31 PM
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The fin shape is very Ed Kazmirski, but beyond that I wouldn't like to guess.

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Old May 22, 2012, 06:58 PM
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Oh god, now you've said it.
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Old May 22, 2012, 09:31 PM
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That's pretty funny Greg...

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Old May 22, 2012, 11:27 PM
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Try RC Universe Classic Pattern section. I think they ID'd that one.
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Old May 23, 2012, 01:09 AM
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That's pretty funny Greg...

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Out with the nose plugs, that odor is about to get strong... (sorry, couldn't help myself again).
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Old May 23, 2012, 10:51 AM
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Old May 23, 2012, 11:28 AM
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The Fuselage

I will go out on a limb, and say it is a Hartman Zeus fuselage. You can see the Taurus fin, all that was needed here, was the Taurus wing. We used the Zeus fuselage and a Taurus wing, swept at the LE, straight TE, with 1" under each tip. I have not see a white gel coat Hartman fuselage, all brown resin that I ever built.
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Old May 23, 2012, 12:09 PM
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Nope, not a Hartman Zeus. Dwight used a green tinted resin and and placed an ID label inside all his fuselages. He installed some support structure in the wing saddle and a firewall. The original Zeus Taurus fuselage was supplied with no vertical stab as was the Mk. II and Mk. IV. There was a variation of the Mk. I for a design called the Sweeper (published in M.A.N.). It used a Taurus wing modified for aft sweep and a Taurus stab also modified for aft sweep with dihedral. The engine was inverted. The Zeus Mk. II was designed for the deBolt Interceptor, the Mk. III has a vertical fin and is similar to Vic Husak's King Altair in looks and size. The Zeus Mk. IV is smaller and was designed for a Kraft Kwik Fli wing section. Dwight also left the aft end of the fuselage underside open so you could install pushrods, etc. then close it up with balsa sheeting.

I'll say that it is a typical knockoff of the Taurus or maybe an Orion. In the early sixties there were several vendors who made fuselages to fit the Taurus or Orion wing and stab. I'll bet that if you had a Taurus wing, it would fit nicely.

I do have a question about the wing trailing edge at the center section. From one of the pictures, it looks like it is swept. Could be the angle of the view though.

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Old May 23, 2012, 12:57 PM
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Looks very neat, I like it. To the OP...

Seems as if it's a Zeus-like fibreglass fuselage (see above for explanation of fibreglass fuse maker) of a Taurus knock-off (Taurus was a 60's Top Flite kit of a popular Nats and Worlds Pattern winner) with swept wings like a Phoenix-or-something (early swept wing pattern model of the 60's).

The model was to have a clear bubble canopy glued to the top, most likely.

Good looking fuselage, worth building if you like early Pattern models. One could find a few swept wing 60's Pattern plans and see if it fits the sweep, go with that, paint it up in a 60's era scheme and have a ball.

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Old May 23, 2012, 05:09 PM
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The nose moment is far too long to be a Taurus. It sure does have a Zeus look to it though.

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Old May 24, 2012, 07:14 AM
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I think Chris got it. Note the rear of the fuselage at the center section. It certainly looks to have sweepback. Also note the nose moment compared to the RCM cover. I'll vote Phoenix.
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Old May 24, 2012, 09:54 AM
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More Info on this Fuselage

Did some research, these pictures going back to 11/18/2007. On RCU, a member named Dbacque, posted these, and Raindave did a photoshop with a wooden Phoenix. Looks like all points to that. Refreshing my memory, you are correct on the numbered fuselage of Hartman.
These pictures are from 2007, and it could be the same fuselage we are looking at today. After first click on these pictures, click agan.

Included here, is original wooden Phoenix V.
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